Theyellowbox Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 The big thing with the whole Saville side show from the government is that it is an attempt at deflection from the goings on at no.10, but to use the US style playbook will not work in UK. We do not vote for a PM as such, so no matter how BJ wants to play to the far right conspiracies, ultimately it does not play well with Tory voters at all, let alone Tory MP's. They will oust him for that and more and there will be more people disgusted by his attempts that swayed by them. That doesn't help the tories in constituency elections. It does probably help in areas where the likes of UKIP/Brexit Party or whatever they call themselves now, have a base. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 (edited) 53 minutes ago, Theyellowbox said: The big thing with the whole Saville side show from the government is that it is an attempt at deflection from the goings on at no.10, but to use the US style playbook will not work in UK. We do not vote for a PM as such, so no matter how BJ wants to play to the far right conspiracies, ultimately it does not play well with Tory voters at all, let alone Tory MP's. They will oust him for that and more and there will be more people disgusted by his attempts that swayed by them. That doesn't help the tories in constituency elections. Were you by any chance in a coma from October 2017 until January 2020? Edited February 2, 2022 by Detournement 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophia Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 3 hours ago, Arch Stanton said: My MP is sitting beside Blackford, the first time I've seen her at PMQs in months. Perhaps something to do with Scottish Questions being immediately before. Also, all of the MPs can't fit into the chamber at the same time so some might habitually avoid the stramash 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theyellowbox Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Detournement said: Were you by any chance in a coma from October 2017 until January 2020? Aye, how come? The Tories tolerated Johnson because he allowed then to win things, but at heart, while they are morally odious, they are not Trumpian and deep down, do not respond well to the approaches and views he takes. We are seeing that now he is deemed an electoral liability. That said, you reap what you sow. They need to own him and his actions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 1 minute ago, Theyellowbox said: Aye, how come? The Tories tolerated Johnson because he allowed then to win things, but at heart, while they are morally odious, they are not Trumpian and deep down, do not respond well to the approaches and views he takes. We are seeing that now he is deemed an electoral liability. That said, you reap what you sow. They need to own him and his actions. Because they were employing far right conspiracy theories on a huge scale to attack Corbyn long before Johnson was leader. And going back decades they have consistently been virulently racist, eg supporting Apartheid South Africa, and homophobic, creating section 28, plus disgusting stuff like villfying single mothers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 2 hours ago, Theyellowbox said: The big thing with the whole Saville side show from the government is that it is an attempt at deflection from the goings on at no.10, but to use the US style playbook will not work in UK. We do not vote for a PM as such, so no matter how BJ wants to play to the far right conspiracies, ultimately it does not play well with Tory voters at all, let alone Tory MP's. They will oust him for that and more and there will be more people disgusted by his attempts that swayed by them. That doesn't help the tories in constituency elections. It does probably help in areas where the likes of UKIP/Brexit Party or whatever they call themselves now, have a base. Here's a map of those areas: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 Refusing to take your seats works best alongside a prolonged campaign of mass murder. Think you are confusing 2 separate parts of Irish history 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theyellowbox Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 (edited) 57 minutes ago, Detournement said: Because they were employing far right conspiracy theories on a huge scale to attack Corbyn long before Johnson was leader. And going back decades they have consistently been virulently racist, eg supporting Apartheid South Africa, and homophobic, creating section 28, plus disgusting stuff like villfying single mothers. Oh, don't get me wrong, I completely agree with everything you say, but what I mean is that they will not like some sort of Trump like character in Johnson being so open about it. I'd say the small minded typical 'shire' Tory tends to be fairly low key and small c conservative about voicing such views publicly and are far more reserved than guys like Johnson and because of that, do not respond particularly well to him blustering on(when he is not winning stuff), stiff upper lip and all that. Equally, I think fairly middle ground Tory voters like in the red wall areas will not take to well to it either. What he is currently playing up to is the more hardliners and right of his party, who gained some power after Brexit, but frankly is on the way out. Which is why I say it plays more to UKIP type people. You forgot to add to your list the smear tactics of the trade unionists, Irish and Windrush generation. The way I see it is that the Tories see themselves as a break to the more progressive ideologies of pretty much everyone else. When they see society moving away from their comfort zone, they either have to resort to clinging onto the old ways (Brexit) or only allowing progression at a slow pace by electing their 'progressive' (BoJo). When neither work, they resort to scorched earth (the impending Tory party fracture) and removal from power (see also 1997-2010). They tolerated BoJo and his lifestyle, which was as far removed from typically Conservative as possible, because he wasn't Corbyn and DeLIvErED BrExIT. They comforted themselves as being 'all modern and progressive' because the front bench looks diverse. But, when faced with an, albeit bland and uninspiring, opposition leader, who is more Tory than their own in terms of handling himself, they start to freak. Edited February 2, 2022 by Theyellowbox 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 (edited) 1 in 2 British marriages end in divorce and actually getting married at all is a good indicator of voting Tory. I don't think there is a standard Tory anymore. They have a coalition and Boris appeals to the parts of it with somewhere else to go. Edited February 2, 2022 by Detournement 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonapersona Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 15 minutes ago, Detournement said: 1 in 2 British marriages end in divorce and actually getting married at all is a good indicator of voting Tory. I don't think there is a standard Tory anymore. They have a coalition and Boris appeals to the parts of it with somewhere else to go. I don't think that's true. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONTROOPER Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 Gary Streeter is the latest Tory MP to publicly declare no confidence in the PM. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 I don't think that's true.As a socialist who's been married for 32 years, I'm inclined to agree. Not the most outrageous statement this lad has howled into the abyss, mind.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florentine_Pogen Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Detournement said: 1 in 2 British marriages end in divorce and actually getting married at all is a good indicator of voting Tory. I don't think there is a standard Tory anymore. They have a coalition and Boris appeals to the parts of it with somewhere else to go. Holy f*ck, I've never voted Tory in my puff but now I discover that I've been a Tory for the last 26 years. HELP !!!!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTFD Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 Refusing to resign after being publicly outed as a liar (again), and doubling down on 4chan-style conspiracy theories. We officially don't get to laugh at the Americans about Trump anymore. Sad! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 It's not complicated lads. Just the same way that being a pensioner or a home owner is an indicator of voting Tory so is being married (or divorced). It doesn't mean everyone in those categories is. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophia Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 11 minutes ago, Detournement said: It's not complicated lads. Just the same way that being a pensioner or a home owner is an indicator of voting Tory so is being married (or divorced). It doesn't mean everyone in those categories is. So to summarise... Some people who are married are Tories Some people who are divorced are Tories Some people who are home owners are Tories Some people who are retired are Tories Given that the Tories take 20% of the vote, it really is a stroke of genius to make this sort of connection 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTFD Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 I'll be divorced soon. Can I become a socialist again now? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 As a socialist who's been married for 32 years, I'm inclined to agree. Not the most outrageous statement this lad has howled into the abyss, mind..H_B howling into the abyss - nothing new there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soapy FFC Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 The other thing to consider when looking at who votes Tory, is education level. This is from YouGov, a couple of years old but I'd imagine it still holds. It might explain why the likes of the Daily Mail and the Express are so important to the Tories, keep the lowly educated masses happy with soap and celebrity news, whilst brainwashing them for the greater good of the Party. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagar Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 I am near retirement, gay, single and skint. Which political spectrum do I fit into? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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