The official Boris pm cluster-fuck thread

[ICTJohnboy]

I suspect we'll be stuck with him for some time yet. Just try listening to some of the utter morons from darn sarrff calling up the likes of LBC and Talk Radio, to praise the man who got Brexit done, and is now telling the French where they can go! "This is what we need - Boris is a winner"

All good news of course, for all Indy supporting parties in the Scottish Parliament.

[D Angelo Barksdale]

Sigh, who amongst us could have predicted that this selfish, bumbling oaf and all round terrible human being would turn out to be a not very good Prime Minister ?

Certainly not me, someone who voted for him and wrote loads of nice things about him in my newspaper columns.

[Salt n Vinegar]

4 hours ago, Glen Sannox said:

He’ll be deserving of his legacy as Britain’s worst ever Prime Minister.

Gordon Brown will be so happy! 

[Theyellowbox]

4 hours ago, ICTJohnboy said:

I suspect we'll be stuck with him for some time yet. Just try listening to some of the utter morons from darn sarrff calling up the likes of LBC and Talk Radio, to praise the man who got Brexit done, and is now telling the French where they can go! "This is what we need - Boris is a winner"

All good news of course, for all Indy supporting parties in the Scottish Parliament.

I'm not so sure he will be around for as lomg as folk think. He's used up most of his 'got brexit done' credits. I think when scandals which they batted off fairly easily a couple of years ago rumble on for much longer now, we are starting to see even his biggest supporters tire of him. The Christmas party stuff, while we'll down the list of stuff he and his government has done, strikes a chord with more folk than they probably expected. Folk didn't get a chance to see families last Christmas period while they were all partying and leave/remain toey/labour or whatever, it passes off a lot before folk, as does the attempts to just ignore any wrongdoing. If it sticks around as an issue for the next few days, they will wheel out some unknown to take the blame. 

[DeeTillEhDeh]

 

Con +4

[Glen Sannox]

2 hours ago, Salt n Vinegar said:

Gordon Brown will be so happy! 

The incumbents tenure will make Gordon Brown’s look like Churchill’s.

[dirty dingus]

I reckon there will be letters going into the 1922 committee pretty soon. There was over 10% vote swing to Labour in the Old Bexley by-election. His buffoonery and bluster shtick is getting old very quickly and his death by a thousand cuts is playing out now. I think a lot of Tories would forgive the corruption and nepotism as they would probably do it too but the partying when everyone else was in lock down will piss them off more than siphoning hundreds of millions out their pockets.

 

[Guest Bob Mahelp]

The Grauniad has a good article on the by-election. 

By all accounts Bexley is an unusual London constituency.....a high number of older voters who own homes, and a constituency that voted for Brexit in 2016.  The constituency is very Tory, and by all accounts quite right-wing.

It seems there was a very low turnout...34%....caused mostly by disaffected Tory voters not bothering to turn up.

The Guardian suggests that the danger to Johnson is not that these voters (and similar voters all over England) will do a U-turn and vote Labour at the next GE, but that they'll be attracted by fringe parties like Reform UK. 

The pressure will be on Johnson to push more right-wing policies to try and keep these voters. 

Expect more, and more rabid, attacks on immigrants and asylum seekers in the months to come. Also look for things like the human rights acts to come under attack, and for Johnson to up the ante on blaming the EU for everything.

 

 

 

 

[TheScarf]

41 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said:

The Grauniad has a good article on the by-election. 

By all accounts Bexley is an unusual London constituency.....a high number of older voters who own homes, and a constituency that voted for Brexit in 2016.  The constituency is very Tory, and by all accounts quite right-wing.

It seems there was a very low turnout...34%....caused mostly by disaffected Tory voters not bothering to turn up.

The Guardian suggests that the danger to Johnson is not that these voters (and similar voters all over England) will do a U-turn and vote Labour at the next GE, but that they'll be attracted by fringe parties like Reform UK. 

The pressure will be on Johnson to push more right-wing policies to try and keep these voters. 

Expect more, and more rabid, attacks on immigrants and asylum seekers in the months to come. Also look for things like the human rights acts to come under attack, and for Johnson to up the ante on blaming the EU for everything.

 

 

 

 

Which in turn will hopefully push the 'don't knows' up here to a 'Yes'.  

[ICTJohnboy]

11 minutes ago, TheScarf said:

Which in turn will hopefully push the 'don't knows' up here to a 'Yes'.  

 

Or even push the "No's" to a "Yes".

[dirty dingus]

7 minutes ago, TheScarf said:

Which in turn will hopefully push the 'don't knows' up here to a 'Yes'.  

It will surely make Labours involvement in Better Together 2  less likely. Maybe if they get in some pragmatic branch office leader they will let the Scots nats and Brit nats duke it out and a true Scottish Labour(with socialist policies)movement might do not to bad in an Indy Scotland.

[williemillersmoustache]

55 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said:

The Grauniad has a good article on the by-election. 

By all accounts Bexley is an unusual London constituency.....a high number of older voters who own homes, and a constituency that voted for Brexit in 2016.  The constituency is very Tory, and by all accounts quite right-wing.

It seems there was a very low turnout...34%....caused mostly by disaffected Tory voters not bothering to turn up.

The Guardian suggests that the danger to Johnson is not that these voters (and similar voters all over England) will do a U-turn and vote Labour at the next GE, but that they'll be attracted by fringe parties like Reform UK. 

The pressure will be on Johnson to push more right-wing policies to try and keep these voters. 

Expect more, and more rabid, attacks on immigrants and asylum seekers in the months to come. Also look for things like the human rights acts to come under attack, and for Johnson to up the ante on blaming the EU for everything.

 

 

 

 

However, what the fringe parties will do is make lots of noise, attract the headcases forcing Tory policy to the right in response then withdraw at the last moment saying their arsehole followers can now vote tory. The rhythm method of party politics. 

[Antlion]

3 minutes ago, dirty dingus said:

It will surely make Labours involvement in Better Together 2  less likely. Maybe if they get in some pragmatic branch office leader they will let the Scots nats and Brit nats duke it out and a true Scottish Labour(with socialist policies)movement might do not to bad in an Indy Scotland.

More likely that Starmer (or whoever succeeds him) will make clumsy, awkward, incompetent attempts to look just as hard on immigrants, just as Europhobic, and just as anti-Scottish independence. As long as Labour is a UK party, it’ll be chasing the votes of those who went Tory and thereby remain a Tory tribute act. When it comes to any Scottish referendum campaign, I have faith in Labour to do only one thing: make the same mistakes as last time, only worse. Whoever leads the branch office will be largely invisible, save when embarrassing themselves.

[Theyellowbox]

7 minutes ago, dirty dingus said:

It will surely make Labours involvement in Better Together 2  less likely. Maybe if they get in some pragmatic branch office leader they will let the Scots nats and Brit nats duke it out and a true Scottish Labour(with socialist policies)movement might do not to bad in an Indy Scotland.

Actually, that is a point I had not considered. Could/would Labour stand side by side with the tories again in fighting for the union in Scotland? I think there will be many Labour voters who hated the sight last time, but recognised the need and that Labour were so far away from winning a GE it didn't matter. If say there was a 2023 referendum and they look like they are in with a chance of power and slagging the tories everywhere else in every way, it would be very difficult to cozy up to them in Scotland, particularly if a GE in 2023 too. 

You could see 2 'better together' campaigns, one with the increasingly right wing tories and a more moderate Labour/Lib dem mix. Possibly 2 different propositions. A hard no from Tory and a devo max from lab/Lib dem. That for me would be the biggest threat to independence. Vote no and tory at GE and get a status quo or vote no and Labour at GE and get devo max. The Labour devo max proposition on paper would be appealing to folk with short memories that don't remember 'the vow'. 

[Soapy FFC]

18 minutes ago, dirty dingus said:

It will surely make Labours involvement in Better Together 2  less likely. Maybe if they get in some pragmatic branch office leader they will let the Scots nats and Brit nats duke it out and a true Scottish Labour(with socialist policies)movement might do not to bad in an Indy Scotland.

Even the union Unite, one of Labours biggest backers in the past, now see working with the Scottish Govt as a way forward to drive change UK wide. I don't see a Labour leader being as pragmatic as that.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/dec/02/labours-main-union-backer-says-it-will-cut-political-funding

 

[dirty dingus]

13 minutes ago, Antlion said:

More likely that Starmer (or whoever succeeds him) will make clumsy, awkward, incompetent attempts to look just as hard on immigrants, just as Europhobic, and just as anti-Scottish independence. As long as Labour is a UK party, it’ll be chasing the votes of those who went Tory and thereby remain a Tory tribute act. When it comes to any Scottish referendum campaign, I have faith in Labour to do only one thing: make the same mistakes as last time, only worse. Whoever leads the branch office will be largely invisible, save when embarrassing themselves.

If Labour continue down the route of denying democracy along with the Tories I hope there is a hung parliament with the SNP becoming king makers. Would the Tories and Labour enter a grand coalition?

[WhiteRoseKillie]

9 minutes ago, dirty dingus said:

If Labour continue down the route of denying democracy along with the Tories I hope there is a hung parliament with the SNP becoming king makers. Would the Tories and Labour enter a grand coalition?

I don't think that would be an accurate description - you'd basically have two wings of a single, fundamentally right-wing party with a massive majority, with Starmer doing little but retrospectively enhancing Nick Clegg's reputation. Worryingly, I don't see it as an inconceivable scenario, especially if it keeps those uppity Jocks in their place.

[williemillersmoustache]

14 minutes ago, dirty dingus said:

If Labour continue down the route of denying democracy along with the Tories I hope there is a hung parliament with the SNP becoming king makers. Would the Tories and Labour enter a grand coalition?

There was a ludicrous article recently saying that in that scenario Starmer could offer an agreement with the SNP which didn't include agreeing to a referendum. He could just sit there and say "do you want to remove Boris or not" daring those uppity jocks to actually want the things they have repeatedly voted for. 

[Clown Job]

4 hours ago, williemillersmoustache said:

There was a ludicrous article recently saying that in that scenario Starmer could offer an agreement with the SNP which didn't include agreeing to a referendum. He could just sit there and say "do you want to remove Boris or not" daring those uppity jocks to actually want the things they have repeatedly voted for. 

I seem to remember hearing something similar when Miliband was running 

I think it was part of that “The SNP are really Tories” campaign they tried for a long time 

[Clown Job]