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1 hour ago, Soapy FFC said:

To be cynical, it could have been a pre-planned "screw up" to deflect attention away from the social care vote in Parliament today.

Always good to be cynical but in this case it"s just a case of him being totally incompetent, out of his depth and more suited to just watching Peppa Pig. Man's a buffoon.

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19 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said:

It is a fact that (mostly in England, but not exclusively) social values have become increasingly right wing, while economic values have remained mostly in the centre ground, maybe even slightly left of centre. 

A perfect breeding ground for populism. Throw in a 'maverick' politician who promises to clamp down on immigration while at the same time loosening government purse strings for massive projects, and 'levelling up', and Johnson's moment had come. 

I'm tempted to say that it began with the Brexit campaign, but it didn't. It began with the poison of UKIP and Farage, the fact that they were allowed such heavy publicity while being essentially a minority party of extremists, and the fear that is installed in the Tories. 

Johnson has never been at heart a foreigner hating, anti centralist on the lunatic fringes of the Tories.  But he was prepared to wear that persona to gain power.....he's almost certainly the most maleable PM this country has ever had, shape-shifting according to whichever way he sees the wind blowing. 

While Brexit wasn't the catalyst, it certainly created a vacuum in British politics which left Labour floundering and which has been eagerly filled by the right, with Johnson simply being the figurehead for a cabal of nastly, eveil fuckers behind him. 

Maybe one day UK voters will get sick of him, and at that point he'll be gone. The Tories will be watching closley though to see if the UK sickens of right wing populism at the same time, that'll dictate who replaces him. 

Initially by billionaire press barons, surely they couldn't have had ulterior motives?

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10 minutes ago, Detournement said:

The UK does not hold 'centre left' economic values. 

Fair enough. I respect your opinion on that, but I think that as a kind of 'general yardstick' it's often accepted that UK voters have more 'central' (let's call it that) economic tendancies than social tendancies. 

2 minutes ago, btb said:

Initially by billionaire press barons, surely they couldn't have had ulterior motives?

Absolutely. Farage is effectively a creation of the right wing media. Shamefully, the BBC also played its part in propelling him into public consciousness.

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According to The Telegraph tonight...and this absolutely true....Boris Johnson's speech was 'an inadvertent success'. 

Now, I realise that we're talking about a newspaper that comparitively few people read, but this is the level of propaganda that right wing newspapers generate. The Express online, as far as I can see, doesn't even mention it. 

Johnson is their man. They put him there, and they'll do whatever they can to keep him in power. 

Welcome to the UK in 2021.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said:

According to The Telegraph tonight...and this absolutely true....Boris Johnson's speech was 'an inadvertent success'. 

Now, I realise that we're talking about a newspaper that comparitively few people read, but this is the level of propaganda that right wing newspapers generate. The Express online, as far as I can see, doesn't even mention it. 

Johnson is their man. They put him there, and they'll do whatever they can to keep him in power. 

Welcome to the UK in 2021.

 

 

Johnson doubleplusgood, Starmer doupleplusungood.

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10 minutes ago, MONKMAN said:

Imagine the state of people, who’d actually consider voting for a party led by this moron. Actual working class people out there vote for this idiot. 

That's because these people are died-in-the-wool, uneducated, thick as f**k, moronic arseholes. 

 

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14 minutes ago, MONKMAN said:

Imagine the state of people, who’d actually consider voting for a party led by this moron. Actual working class people out there vote for this idiot. 

 

Ah yes, but that moron "got Brexit done" and the donkeys knew what they were voting for.

 

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Other than Brexit BawJaws hasn't had to deliver any of the policies he was elected on thanks to Covid, until now. And it looks very much like he's failing to deliver on all of them, and more importantly he doesn't seem to be able to spin shafting pensioners, the channel boats crisis, the levelling up and railway betrayals, and so forth as massive wins. He is undoubtedly losing his touch, is putting the b*****ds iron grip on power in jeopardy and I can see him getting knifed in the back sooner rather than later tbh.

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10 hours ago, Bob Mahelp said:

According to The Telegraph tonight...and this absolutely true....Boris Johnson's speech was 'an inadvertent success'. 

Now, I realise that we're talking about a newspaper that comparitively few people read, but this is the level of propaganda that right wing newspapers generate. The Express online, as far as I can see, doesn't even mention it. 

Johnson is their man. They put him there, and they'll do whatever they can to keep him in power. 

Welcome to the UK in 2021.

 

 

Were they not saying it was a success because it dominated the media all day rather than the details of the care bill?

So fewer members of the public would have contacted their Tory MP about their vote last night helping Johnson to get the bill through. 

It's all stage mananged.

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Talking about in conspiratorial terms like that gives people like Johnson far more credit than they deserve. They’re not that smart and the press releasing a pressure valve on them for the first time in 4 years should show that they’re not invincible either.

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17 minutes ago, NotThePars said:

Talking about in conspiratorial terms like that gives people like Johnson far more credit than they deserve. They’re not that smart and the press releasing a pressure valve on them for the first time in 4 years should show that they’re not invincible either.

Well someone had the idea for him to make an arse of himself on purpose the day of a big vote. 

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1 hour ago, Detournement said:

Were they not saying it was a success because it dominated the media all day rather than the details of the care bill?

So fewer members of the public would have contacted their Tory MP about their vote last night helping Johnson to get the bill through. 

It's all stage mananged.

Pulled the same stunt visiting the hospital and walking around not wearing a face mask, on the day of another big event elsewhere.

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I don’t think Johnson set out to deliver such a shambolic performance. I do think that what we’re seeing is him utterly having bought into his own hype. He appears to genuinely believe that he can - and even should - get away with making less than zero effort, safe in the knowledge that those who support him will laugh it off and lap it up. We’re seeing a man who thinks his louche media persona is such that he can get away with anything - so why make even the slightest effort? The fact that it’s got people talking about that rather than his government’s actual legislation is probably just gravy on his part - though I reckon more competent evil b*****ds knew what a tit of himself he’d make and were right behind it. Johnson is a useful idiot to his party; but I very much doubt he knows that (or would care if he did).

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