scottsdad Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 Labour should be taking aim at the Met here. First they said they wouldn't investigate. Then the Justice Secretary said they wouldn't investigate. Repeatedly they have stonewalled. Their own officers were right outside. Now, at the 11th hour, they intervene with an investigation that means the Sue Gray report will be neutered. Starmer will not go after them of course, but someone (Rayner?) should. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 Peston's thread saying it better than I could. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SweeperDee Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 Just imagine the scenes if Dom Cummings "acquires" an uncensored copy and dumps it on pastebin. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Blades Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 I detest the Tories, always have, always will. We are through the looking glass now though. I’m raging that the “old boys club” have (it appears) managed to squirm out of this whole mess. The police seem to be working in tandem with Downing St. It stinks to high heaven. The Gray report will have to be so watered down that it’ll be hardly worth issuing & the police investigation will last months, I’ve no doubt. The Met have had weeks of opportunity to investigate this & only now they decide to. Why? Ffs! Let’s get independence as soon as possible! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 1 hour ago, scottsdad said: Labour should be taking aim at the Met here. First they said they wouldn't investigate. Then the Justice Secretary said they wouldn't investigate. Repeatedly they have stonewalled. Their own officers were right outside. Now, at the 11th hour, they intervene with an investigation that means the Sue Gray report will be neutered. Starmer will not go after them of course, but someone (Rayner?) should. Never mind Labour, the SNP should be going for Dick and the Met big time. Accuse her of political complicity. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theyellowbox Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 7 hours ago, Michael W said: How is the investigation going to be prejudiced? These aren't offences that will see Johnson and his staff thrown in front of a jury, they're dealt with by fixed penalties, albeit potentially large ones. There is some suggestion that in reviewing the evidence, there has been other more serious offences uncovered. I would doubt they would be something as serious as massive financial fraud, but it could be something along the lines of drug offenses etc and while there may be charges relating to this, then the allegations and evidence cannot be in the public domain. Of course, it would need to be something as serious as to go before a jury for the 'prejudice' line to be added. What may be more dissapointing is that given the higher portion of civil servant likely involved, it may well be one of them who has committed a more serious crime, which may be good in a way for Johnson in that 'look a mr/Ms x over there commiting crime and all I did was have a drink'. Equally angering will be if no actual charges are brought and the delay was unnecessary. With each passing day/hour, the liklihood of BoJo wriggling out of this increases. When the report does drop, I fear it may be a bit of a let down for all concerned and not be a smoking gun for those wanting him out, nor will it completely clear him. What may be the wildcard is who is charged and also does Cummings/the leaker have additional damaging material 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 This is in no way a manufactured scandal in response to not imposing further restrictions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkshirepud Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 "Misconduct in Public Office" charges would be good but I suspect it is likelier to be an attempt to remove the juicy stuff from the report, before dawdling over an investigation that miraculously and surprisingly finds no evidence of criminality. Hence the juicy stuff is never released. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jedi Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 Think it might turn out to be today that the Tories won the next GE, and with Johnson as continuing PM. May's local election won't matter a jot, as they have a traditionally really low turnout. The partying and all the rest of the sleaze has now well and truly been swept under the carpet....expect him to start saying that we have drawn a line under it now, next week. As said, by the time the Met report surfaces, probably saying that a couple of civil servants maybe weren't socially distancing properly in the Downing St garden, and er...thats about it...most folk wont care. Roll onto the next GE, and you will find those interviewed in Red Wall seats etc saying things like...'it was only a bit of cake after all, and he did get Brexit done....that Starmer doesn't have the experience to be PM for me;... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/28/joe-lycett-sue-gray-report-stunt-motivated-anger-friends-death 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 As predicted MI6 agent Tom Tugendhat has announced he is interested in being the next Tory leader. An MI6 PM and a former DPP leader of the opposition would be a great advert for democracy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btb Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Detournement said: As predicted MI6 agent Tom Tugendhat has announced he is interested in being the next Tory leader. An MI6 PM and a former DPP leader of the opposition would be a great advert for democracy. A bit more serious now, he'll be a stalking horse allowing the more serious candidates to go a bit further in their "non campaigns" for party laedership. Edited January 29, 2022 by btb 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 Don't see the problem, everyone's favourite cuddly autocrat is a former KGB agent, now he just tells them who to murder. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 it's quite funny that the press decided it was time for Boris to go and it's not taking. Ah well, I'm sure everyone will learn their lesson. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theroadlesstravelled Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 The butterfly effect in full effect. If only Ed Miliband could have eaten a sandwich properly we wouldn’t be in this mess. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
git-intae-thum Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 2 hours ago, Theroadlesstravelled said: The butterfly effect in full effect. If only Ed Miliband could have eaten a sandwich properly we wouldn’t be in this mess. When I think of if only's.....it's 2014. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagar Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 Sue Gray report now been submitted. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 Not to go all Paddy Ashdown*, but I will eat my hat if there's anything damning in there after the Met's intervention. *Like Paddy, I will not be eating my hat if I am wrong. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagar Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 17 minutes ago, Michael W said: Not to go all Paddy Ashdown*, but I will eat my hat if there's anything damning in there after the Met's intervention. *Like Paddy, I will not be eating my hat if I am wrong. Agreed. It will be a total whitewash. And you can see Sue Gray being the scapegoat in this. A corrupt police force run by a corrupt commissioner who's job is in the hands of a corrupt government. What could be better? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 42 minutes ago, Highlandmagyar Tier 3 said: Agreed. It will be a total whitewash. And you can see Sue Gray being the scapegoat in this. A corrupt police force run by a corrupt commissioner who's job is in the hands of a corrupt government. What could be better? I really feel for Gray. She doesn't have the power to decide if the PM stays in office or not and can only really state the facts as she finds them. She has had her legs cut off by the Met and when the report unsurprisingly doesn't contain the damning details, she is going to cop a lot of flak. In the meantime, the Government will work as best as it can to bury the bad staff and a few No.10 lackies will be fired over it. Absolutely none of this is Gray's fault. She was landed in a crap position. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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