Guest Bob Mahelp Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 32 minutes ago, O'Kelly Isley III said: 5 hours ago, Jacksgranda said: You'd have moaned even more had they announced nothing. If it goes ahead this should keep things ticking over. What gives you any confidence Granda that this Government can deliver anything other than continued misery for a sizeable percentage of the UK population ? Johnson is a vainglorious puppet being worked from behind by a madman, the two of them presiding over the least capable Cabinet in living memory. Just as Trump's legacy of his failed Presidency will be a conservative supreme court, Johnson's ultimate legacy will be what's going on full-speed in the background at the moment....a dismantling of the UK's institutions as we've known them (for good or bad) all our lives. Cummings started with the effective abolishment of international aid, and he's moved on to his longed for destruction of Whitehall.....there's far more to come on that, but you can guarantee we'll end up with an American style, politicised (and right-wing) civil service. Next in his sights, the judiciary and the BBC. Johnson is a fucking clown, and everything he touches fails, but after 4 years his legacy will be a full-scale change to many of the institutions that currently we all take for granted. Combine it with Brexit, and he has the potential to rip the heart out of anyone who isn't a right-wing, batshit mental nutcase. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 6 hours ago, dirty dingus said: Will he have some change to build the bridge from Scotland to Ireland? He must have been neglected as a wean as all he ever does is try to garner affection by coming out with pie in the sky nonsense. Jet Zero - There is no plane manufacturing in the UK, they make bit for planes, to set up this kind of project would take years and a lot of Billions in investment. Guy is a performing cockwomble. In fairness, the UK has something like the 2nd or 3rd largest aerospace sector in the world. I don't get the whole 'bits of planes thing' from design to manufacturing the UK has all the industries it needs to run a whole program itself. Cost tends to force international collaboration more than know how or capacity. The twin concerns I have are protecting the civilian facing aspects of it - principally Rolls Royce and the UK airbus work share - and the usual UK governmsnt reticence to intervene anywhere. In terms of high skilled manufacutring jobs, its a sector the UK cannot afford to let wither on the vine. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 6 minutes ago, MixuFruit said: It's not cost it's competition and protectionism in my opinion. Boeing make poor quality (verging on unsafe) planes but they've got the American state backing them to the hilt, they're the epitome of too big to fail. Airbus can only stand up to them and compete because the EU is similarly powerful and all its members are invested in it. I'm sure the UK could make it's own passenger planes but they'd just get steamrollered by those two if they tried to export them in any kind of quantity. Well, they were back in the day, the DeHavilland Comet and Vickers VC-10 both got ragdolled by the state backed US offerings. One of the absolute worst decisions was BAE selling off their share in Airbus. Thus there is no UK input into where Airbus workshare which traditionally comes in at 20 pc back from the initial corporation between the three governments. From a UK point of view, protection of RR, BAE Systems and Airbus UK are a must. The space industry is starting to kick on in a big way in the UK now as well: Something that deserves a degree of protectionism now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 https://metro.co.uk/2020/06/30/airbus-cut-1700-jobs-uk-12925127/ Cutting 1700 jobs in UK due to covid how many more will go after brexit? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/thrcc-scrapped-by-boris-johnson-in-july-1-6721353?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social_Icon&utm_campaign=in_article_social_icons Boris Johnson scrapped pandemic team six months before coronavirus hit Taking copying Trump to new heights. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 4 hours ago, renton said: Well, they were back in the day, the DeHavilland Comet and Vickers VC-10 both got ragdolled by the state backed US offerings. One of the absolute worst decisions was BAE selling off their share in Airbus. Thus there is no UK input into where Airbus workshare which traditionally comes in at 20 pc back from the initial corporation between the three governments. From a UK point of view, protection of RR, BAE Systems and Airbus UK are a must. The space industry is starting to kick on in a big way in the UK now as well: Something that deserves a degree of protectionism now. Do we still have any share in the Harrier Jump Jet technology that the Yanks seem to take for granted? Didn't realise that Hawker Siddley was one of the original Airbus partners before BAE fucked it all up. I'd love to see a growing space industry here, but do we really still need the likes of BAE? I was hoping that space projects could be reaching a stage where the military weren't necessary anymore. Anyway, after Brexit proper the Airbus jobs will go to where they're appreciated, not the UK, BAE will be fully occupied spending 10% of GDP to build our own GPS system without the help of the EU or China and Rolls Royce will move into toy manufacture and take over the market. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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doulikefish Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 All this bad news for Johnson ...Cpt Tom will be activated on the news at this rate 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, welshbairn said: Do we still have any share in the Harrier Jump Jet technology that the Yanks seem to take for granted? Didn't realise that Hawker Siddley was one of the original Airbus partners before BAE fucked it all up. I'd love to see a growing space industry here, but do we really still need the likes of BAE? I was hoping that space projects could be reaching a stage where the military weren't necessary anymore. Anyway, after Brexit proper the Airbus jobs will go to where they're appreciated, not the UK, BAE will be fully occupied spending 10% of GDP to build our own GPS system without the help of the EU or China and Rolls Royce will move into toy manufacture and take over the market. Harrier is more or less gone. BAE is a major sub contractor on the F35 program. Has something like a 15% workshare on the entire program, which given the number of F35s being built - something like 3000 - is a lot of work. They make the rear fuselage, aft stabilisers, fuel system, software etc. Think nearly a third of each F35 is generated from British content. The STOVL version of the F35, the F35B which is our Harrier replacement uses a Rolls Royce developed lift fan system to do the vertical take off/landing. BAE is now working on the eventual Typhoon replacement - the Tempest. The French and Germans are doing their own thing there. It seems no one is eager to replicate the 3 and 4 nation approaches that generated Tornado and Typhoon (both basically British designs anyway), so while the French and Germans are basically using Airbus to develop a new fighter, the UK is going it's own route but also partnering with Sweden and Italy. As much a black hole as defence spending ultimately is, it is where the hi tech sector currently generates a lot of bleeding edge tech. I suspect that Airbus UK will get trimmed down, a No deal will probably see a lot of tbose Airbus jobs gone sooner than later. Space sector is looking good, (the Airbus owned) Surrey Satellites is a world leader in small Satellites and developed the payload modules for the Gallileo project (hence why the UK government thinks it can do its own system, though in the end it probably won't) other companies like AAC Clyde Space are big players in the nano Cube sat sector and Scotland has something lile 18% of the UK space sector. Having launch platforms in the UK makes sense under those conditions. There is also Reaction Engines Limited who have designed and are building a jet-rocket hybrid hypersonic engine with the intention of having a single stage runway to orbit vehicle. They've proven they can overcome the fundamental tech challenges having tested the intercooler and are doing ground tests hopefully next year. Everyone for NASA to the DoD and ESA are putting money into the company. It's a really interesting gig. Edited July 1, 2020 by renton 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peternapper Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 A couple typical pearls of wisdom from Boris the other day The country is in quite a deep hole & the only way out of it is to keep digging, And his belief in his beloved Whack a Mole system, while he is busy waiting for one to show itself there probably two poking their heads up laughing behind him Hardly likely to inspire much confidence in his leadership. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunfermline Don Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 By slashing ‘Red Tape’ what exactly does he mean? H&S regulations, worker’s rights!Planning Regulations already seem to be able to be bypassed with a bung! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Wilkos Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 (edited) "There is no such thing as a border between Scotland and England." Boris Johnson at today's PMQs. Edited July 1, 2020 by Steve_Wilkos 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 7 minutes ago, Steve_Wilkos said: "There is no such thing as a border between Scotland and England." Boris Johnson at today's PMQs. There soon fucking will be - if common sense in Scotland prevails. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunfermline Don Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 I must just imagine this when travelling down the M74/M6 then! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Steele Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 15 hours ago, Baxter Parp said: Taking copying Trump to new heights. 2 hours ago, Steve_Wilkos said: "There is no such thing as a border between Scotland and England." Boris Johnson at today's PMQs Churchill last week, FDR yesterday, Trump today. At the end of the day he's still a bumbling clown, though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludo*1 Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 2 hours ago, Steve_Wilkos said: "There is no such thing as a border between Scotland and England." Boris Johnson at today's PMQs. Genuinely think that's been the last straw for some folk. They'll see him closing down Leicester, but not allowing Scotland to close down as a political move. Well, one would hope. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 6 minutes ago, The Skelpit Lug said: Churchill last week, FDR yesterday, Trump today. At the end of the day he's still a bumbling clown, though. Which one? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandyCromarty Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 16 hours ago, welshbairn said: Do we still have any share in the Harrier Jump Jet technology that the Yanks seem to take for granted? Didn't realise that Hawker Siddley was one of the original Airbus partners before BAE fucked it all up. I'd love to see a growing space industry here, but do we really still need the likes of BAE? I was hoping that space projects could be reaching a stage where the military weren't necessary anymore. Anyway, after Brexit proper the Airbus jobs will go to where they're appreciated, not the UK, BAE will be fully occupied spending 10% of GDP to build our own GPS system without the help of the EU or China and Rolls Royce will move into toy manufacture and take over the market. Shorts are still going and are the biggest manufacturing company in NI. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandyCromarty Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 Bojo the Clown who got a second in Classics at Oxford but found geography to be a subject beyond his ken? What a fuckin joke of a man, we laugh at Trump and we have this absolute fool on our doorstep. For the Love of God give us Independence and be free of these shits. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 3 hours ago, MixuFruit said: Criminal if the follow up question wasn't where does one end and the other begin The original question was from Andrew Bowie, one of Johnson's Scottish British Conservative MP's. He's never going to ask a tricky follow-up question. The question was deliberately framed to allow Johnson to showboat. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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