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7 hours ago, MixuFixit said:

We want a deficit. They're totally normal and necessary for the world economy.

Tories comparing the national finances to a household budget has worked if it's even getting to diehard yessers!

They're not "normal". They're "common".

As long as we have a deficit, we forever have ever increasing national debt. Great way to keep the population enslaved.

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2 hours ago, D.A.F.C said:

It's all really easy to leave as Brexit has proved.

Scotland leaving the UK:
UK: "They'll be a hard border unless you meet our demands."
Scotland: "Hard border it is then."
UK: "On second thought, let's talk."

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19 minutes ago, MixuFixit said:

Do you like the idea of pensions, mortgages etc?

Do you like the idea of them being available for many generations to come? Or are you quite happy for it to all come crashing down, just as long as you're dead before it happens?

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1 hour ago, MixuFixit said:


Do you understand what pensions invest in, in order to pay out for years to come? Do you understand where banks get the money they lend you for a mortgage?

Do you understand that if the system stays the way it is, that debt figure can only keep going up forever?

Do you understand why that might be a problem?
Infinitely growing debt figure against a finitely resourced planet?

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30 minutes ago, BawWatchin said:

Do you understand that if the system stays the way it is, that debt figure can only keep going up forever?

Do you understand why that might be a problem?
Infinitely growing debt figure against a finitely resourced planet?

Its fucked already, do you think there's any realistic prospect of the UK ever paying off a £1.8 trillion debt?  Or the USA paying its $20 trillion one?  Imagine how many years of surplus that would require.

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13 minutes ago, Kuro said:

Its fucked already, do you think there's any realistic prospect of the UK ever paying off a £1.8 trillion debt?  Or the USA paying its $20 trillion one?  Imagine how many years of surplus that would require.

So what do we do. Just pretend that it isn't there until we ultimately default? Then what?

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The debt crisis is substantially more than the world war 2 debt.
I'd love scotland to be independent and successful but it's not really going to matter when we have this enormous burden around our necks. The snp along with every other political party going were happy to back the banks and give them free reign.
The idea of a nation being able to control major issues like the end of oil and recessions or deficits is pie in the sky.
Freezing council tax and handing out free prescriptions and free university education is just adding to the deficit. The snp claimed this year we would be over 10 billion richer than we actually were.
Becoming independent might improve things slightly but people dont seem to realise just how serious the debt is and how it will basically enslave the poor for decades to come.
There is no magic fix.

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9 minutes ago, D.A.F.C said:

The debt crisis is substantially more than the world war 2 debt.
I'd love scotland to be independent and successful but it's not really going to matter when we have this enormous burden around our necks. The snp along with every other political party going were happy to back the banks and give them free reign.
The idea of a nation being able to control major issues like the end of oil and recessions or deficits is pie in the sky.
Freezing council tax and handing out free prescriptions and free university education is just adding to the deficit. The snp claimed this year we would be over 10 billion richer than we actually were.
Becoming independent might improve things slightly but people dont seem to realise just how serious the debt is and how it will basically enslave the poor for decades to come.
There is no magic fix.

Aye, scrap the NHS, Police, schools, everything. Just adding to the deficit.

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32 minutes ago, AUFC90 said:
40 minutes ago, BawWatchin said:
So what do we do. Just pretend that it isn't there until we ultimately default? Then what?

The guys will come and take all the UK and US teles and couches and stuff ?

No, the guys will just stop trading with us and lending us money and resources which the UK doesn't have much of itself, otherwise it wouldn't need to have be trading in the first place.

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41 minutes ago, BawWatchin said:

So what do we do. Just pretend that it isn't there until we ultimately default? Then what?

I don't know.  That's why I'm saying its fucked, there's no way out of that, the whole system is a house of cards.  Our Chinese overlords will deal with it when the time comes.

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8 minutes ago, Kuro said:

I don't know.  That's why I'm saying its fucked, there's no way out of that, the whole system is a house of cards.  Our Chinese overlords will deal with it when the time comes.

China's debt could be $6 trillion dollars. It's hard to get real figures just like much of it's economy. It's very opaque.

Not sure if there are many countries which have no debt. It''s the accepted way of life. The strange economics of Thatcher talking about running a country like running a house budget is just fanciful BS.

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51 minutes ago, D.A.F.C said:

The debt crisis is substantially more than the world war 2 debt.
I'd love scotland to be independent and successful but it's not really going to matter when we have this enormous burden around our necks. The snp along with every other political party going were happy to back the banks and give them free reign.
The idea of a nation being able to control major issues like the end of oil and recessions or deficits is pie in the sky.
Freezing council tax and handing out free prescriptions and free university education is just adding to the deficit. The snp claimed this year we would be over 10 billion richer than we actually were.
Becoming independent might improve things slightly but people dont seem to realise just how serious the debt is and how it will basically enslave the poor for decades to come.
There is no magic fix.

Scotland does not have any debt.

Only a notional share of UK debt, for which we have no liability should we choose independence.

Any UK debt share we choose to assume should be at least equal to the UK assets we decide to take. Or we can lease them a sub base for a decade or two in lieu of part of liability.

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Scotland does not have any debt.
Only a notional share of UK debt, for which we have no liability should we choose independence.
Any UK debt share we choose to assume should be at least equal to the UK assets we decide to take. Or we can lease them a sub base for a decade or two in lieu of part of liability.

I would not be at all surprised if keeping subs in Faslane for a while became part of any deal/arrangement post Indy.
The Brits do not have a great record in the way they have let some countries have their independence in the past. You just have to look at the Indian sub continent and Ireland for the mess we/they left there.
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