Tibbermoresaint Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 6 minutes ago, D.A.F.C said: I think most of the feeling to get independence is due to the imbalance to the south east. Just because we probably could make it on our own doesn’t mean we should. Creating more trade barriers and unknowns is exactly what we don’t need at the moment. I would be astonished if we went for another referendum within two years. Independence will reduce trade barriers and unknowns. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A.F.C Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Tibbermoresaint said: Independence will reduce trade barriers and unknowns. With our biggest trading partner aye? So we would get to trade outside the EU freely and inside the EU freely? England would use us as a backdoor and it wouldn’t be allowed imo. Is this not what the Ireland argument is about currently? Edited July 30, 2019 by D.A.F.C 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 1 minute ago, D.A.F.C said: With our biggest trading partner aye? With the biggest economic bloc on the planet. And with all with whom it has trade agreements. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A.F.C Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Tibbermoresaint said: With the biggest economic bloc on the planet. And with all with whom it has trade agreements. And block off trading with our biggest trading partner and only land border? Smart thinking m9 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, D.A.F.C said: And block off trading with our biggest trading partner and only land border? Smart thinking m9 Block off trading? The rUK is a minnow in global terms. Have some ambition. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A.F.C Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 It’s our biggest trading partner. Conversely I could say let’s have some ambition and open trade deals with China, India and America. Which is what Brexit could bring. I can’t see any way we would be allowed to leave the UK and join the EU and not be worse off for at least a few years. Shutting off trade links with the UK is completely stupid. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 f**k up shitebag. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 5 minutes ago, D.A.F.C said: It’s our biggest trading partner. Conversely I could say let’s have some ambition and open trade deals with China, India and America. Which is what Brexit could bring. I can’t see any way we would be allowed to leave the UK and join the EU and not be worse off for at least a few years. Shutting off trade links with the UK is completely stupid. Shutting off trade links with the UK Why would the rUK do anything to jeopardise trade with its second-largest export market? -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: Do you honestly think the UK can manage any more than a couple of years without some form if trade deal with the EU? And as Scotland will be part of the EU by that time (even on pessimistic estimates), rUK would have to trade with us on the same basis as with the rest of the EU. Is DAFC seriously suggesting that rUK will refuse to trade with the EU? Edited July 30, 2019 by lichtgilphead 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Tibbermoresaint said: Shutting off trade links with the UK Why would the rUK do anything to jeopardise trade with its second-largest export market? If Brexit has taught us anything it's that the Tory government have little regard for simple economics. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 1 minute ago, lichtgilphead said: And as Scotland will be part of the EU by that time (even on pessamistic estimates), rUK would have to trade with us on the same basis as with the rest of the EU. Is DAFC seriously suggesting that rUK will refuse to trade with the EU? And as EU members we'll have a very big say in the terms of any EU-RUK trade agreement. 1 minute ago, Donathan said: If Brexit has taught us anything it's that the Tory government have little regard for simple economics. True. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UsedToGoToCentralPark Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 There is route that doesn't involve waiting too long - so long as the Greens are on board. Vote for a Section 40 order. The Buffoon rejects it. Sturgeon resigns as First Minister. If after 28 days no successor is elected then the Presiding Officer would ask for Parliament to be dissolved under s3(1)a. SNP and Greens campaign on an IndyRef2 manifesto - I genuinely believe they could get a majority, especially if Farage's mob split the Unionist vote in the Constituencies. What's a section 40 order? Had a google but nothing obvious came up? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 3 hours ago, Tibbermoresaint said: Independence will reduce trade barriers and unknowns. That's exactly what Boris is saying in his quest to take the UK out of the EU. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 2 hours ago, Stinky Bone said: In reply to your post, I must admit that I haven't got a clue. Like someone mentioned, it would be wise to seek clarity in courts about where Scotland stands in the union legally, whether it is an equal partner and we can choose to leave the union if we decide to of our own sovereign right, or whether we are a colony, which I suspect we are. If we are an equal partner, as it is claimed, then it must surely mean that we can hold as many referendums, elections or any other democratic business as and when we choose to, regardless of westminster. If we are a colony, which we appear to be, then we have to continue seeking permissions. Which is unfair if we are supposed to be a union of equals. Others have also asked the question if England would need a section 30 order to leave the UK. Would Wales and Northern Ireland require the same? Wales would need a section 30, same as Scotland. Northern Ireland is different as the exact terms of a border poll are legally binding in the Good Friday agreement. If a Stormont election returned a majority of Nationalist MLA's then twin referendums in NI and ROI would automatically be triggered, and if both votes showed a majority support for reunification then a united Ireland would happen. England doesn't have a parliament to devolve power to so by definition a section 30 order is not possible (A section 30 order just means a temporary devolution of a power that is normally reserved to Westminster) The only way for England to hold a referendum would be for the Westminster government to pass a bill through the house of commons mandating one. Interestingly, as the power to call constitutional referendums is reserved to WM, they could in theory vote for Scotland to hold an independence vote and bypass Holyrood altogether as an alternative to a section 30. This would be one way for the UK government to allow a referendum, but on their own terms. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Can we join the EU what currency will we use what magical funds will appear if we go independent how long will it take will the value of savings go down borders, economic and real just for startersHow many other countries rely on "magical funds" ? How long will it take ? Really ? Which side has to gaze into their crystal ball and answer this question for you ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 (edited) On 29/07/2019 at 20:19, D.A.F.C said: Can we join the EU YES On 29/07/2019 at 20:19, D.A.F.C said: what currency will we use Whatever currency we damn well want. Just one of the many privledges of running our own economy. On 29/07/2019 at 20:19, D.A.F.C said: what magical funds will appear if we go independent We don't want "magical funds" or "magic money trees". They create deficit. On 29/07/2019 at 20:19, D.A.F.C said: how long will it take As long as it takes to get the best possible negotiation terms. On 29/07/2019 at 20:19, D.A.F.C said: will the value of savings go down The value of your savings has been plummeting non-stop for the past 5 years. On 29/07/2019 at 20:19, D.A.F.C said: borders, economic and real 27 borders vs 1 border. Free stovies for all. I prefer Barcelona myself. Edited July 31, 2019 by BawWatchin 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 What's a section 40 order? Had a google but nothing obvious came up?30.My fat fingers on my mobile again. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A.F.C Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 It's all really easy to leave as Brexit has proved. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakedee Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Having unachievable "red lines" is something I somehow doubt is the path that would be followed by a Scottish Govt. in the event of a successful independence vote.It's all really easy to leave as Brexit has proved. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaz Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 It's all really easy to leave as Brexit has proved.How many countries have successfully become independent from the UK? Dozens. How many of them have the UK stopped trading with? None. Why do you think Scotland is uniquely incapable of both? No other country has extricated themselves from the EU in the manner the UK are attempting. There's a huge difference. Lying and making false comparisons is all Brit Nats like yourself have left. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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