Distant Doonhamer Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 "Excessive force or brutality" is the definition of violent conduct in the laws of the game. It was clearly neither of those things.Genuine question. If a player throws a punch, attempts to kick or head butt an opponent but doesn’t connect could that be a red card if judged that the intent was there? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, 19QOS19 said: 5 minutes ago, craigkillie said: "Excessive force or brutality" is the definition of violent conduct in the laws of the game. It was clearly neither of those things. How can kicking someone off the ball be anything other than violent though? Because it's not violent under the extremely clear definition of the word in the laws of the game. I don't really understand where the confusion lies. Presumably by your logic the Leeds player should have been off for it too, since any hand in the face must be violent since there's never any need to touch someone's face? Edited January 6, 2020 by craigkillie 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 What is “clearly” excessive force or brutality then? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 minute ago, Distant Doonhamer said: Genuine question. If a player throws a punch, attempts to kick or head butt an opponent but doesn’t connect could that be a red card if judged that the intent was there? Yes, if the force behind the attempt is considered excessive. If you take a big swing at someone then it's violent conduct whether you hit them or not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accies1874 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 It's a shame what's happened in the second half, as some of Leeds' play in the first was really enjoyable. It's been a pretty stinking round of cup football. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginaro Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 10 minutes ago, 19QOS19 said: 12 minutes ago, craigkillie said: For it to constitute "violent conduct" it has to actually be violent. What constitutes violent? He kicked the guy when he was jogging away, I don't know how that's not a red. Excessive force or brutality. We only saw it in slow motion though which makes it look worse. 2 minutes ago, Distant Doonhamer said: Genuine question. If a player throws a punch, attempts to kick or head butt an opponent but doesn’t connect could that be a red card if judged that the intent was there? "Violent conduct is when a player uses or attempts to use excessive force or brutality against an opponent when not challenging for the ball, or against a team-mate, team official, match official, spectator or any other person, regardless of whether contact is made." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19QOS19 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Because it's not violent under the extremely clear definition of the word in the laws of the game. I don't really understand where the confusion lies. Presumably by your logic the Leeds player should have been off for it too, since any hand in the face must be violent since there's never any need to touch someone's face?I see. I had no idea kicking folk off the ball was now allowed. I'm just surprised it's not a tactic deployed more often if it's not a red card offence. Dead legs could be handed out all around. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 4 minutes ago, Melanius Mullarkey said: What is “clearly” excessive force or brutality then? Excessive force = a challenge with a level of force in excess of what might normally be expected in a football match (ie not a wee daft flick). Brutality = a challenge with an intention to hurt. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 minute ago, 19QOS19 said: 6 minutes ago, craigkillie said: Because it's not violent under the extremely clear definition of the word in the laws of the game. I don't really understand where the confusion lies. Presumably by your logic the Leeds player should have been off for it too, since any hand in the face must be violent since there's never any need to touch someone's face? I see. I had no idea kicking folk off the ball was now allowed. I'm just surprised it's not a tactic deployed more often if it's not a red card offence. Dead legs could be handed out all around. Kicking people hard enough to give them a dead leg would clearly be a red card. Flicking out at someone's boot isn't. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distant Doonhamer Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Credit to Arsenal for a hugely better 2nd half. As Arteta is clearly aware he has a huge job on his hands there. Awful defensively and some players who don’t seem to give a shit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aufc Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Cant believe that baldy fanny didnt book xhaka 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginaro Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, 19QOS19 said: 8 minutes ago, craigkillie said: Because it's not violent under the extremely clear definition of the word in the laws of the game. I don't really understand where the confusion lies. Presumably by your logic the Leeds player should have been off for it too, since any hand in the face must be violent since there's never any need to touch someone's face? I see. I had no idea kicking folk off the ball was now allowed. I'm just surprised it's not a tactic deployed more often if it's not a red card offence. Dead legs could be handed out all around. I'd like to see an example of a dead leg being handed out without the kick involving excessive force or brutality. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distant Doonhamer Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Arsenal goal scorer telling us they didn’t expect Leeds to press them as they did. Really!!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin.Hood Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 How can kicking someone off the ball be anything other than violent though? I'm guessing the player got booked ? A friendly kick off the ball. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19QOS19 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 I'm guessing the player got booked ? A friendly kick off the ball.Not even a yellow apparently. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin.Hood Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Not even a yellow apparently.Probably they are the rules.Just a kiddie on kick 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WALMOT Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 hour ago, 19QOS19 said: Yip he really is a moaning faced p***k. Taylor has left his cards hasn't he? How Xhaka hasn't been booked is unreal. There's an argument he could have been off now. Xhaka should have been off for his first two challenges as both were yellow cards how he got away with another two is beyond me. If this had been a championship game and ref he would have been gone, Taylor bottled it, the three bookings he dished out were pale in comparison. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Not even a yellow apparently.It's a yellow card offence, but VAR doesn't give yellow cards. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 What about if VAR checks to see if something is a penalty, then decides the attacking player dived, can he be booked then? Pretty shite if not. Stamping out diving is one of the positives of VAR, if used correctly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accies1874 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 What about if VAR checks to see if something is a penalty, then decides the attacking player dived, can he be booked then? I'm pretty sure Pulisic got booked for this exact scenario earlier in the season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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