2426255 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 1 minute ago, oneteaminglasgow said: I don’t really care to be honest, mate. Also, forgot to say that the host said something about Gilmour only being able to play in the top sides which will dominate games regularly, and I thought that was absolute nonsense given that he plays, and plays very well regularly, for Scotland. As I say, my main takeaway is that if Norwich aren’t able to find a way to use Billy Gilmour effectively then that is a huge failing on the part of Daniel Farke. He’s quite clearly the most talented midfielder at the club. Interestingly not a failing in Billy Gilmour though? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2426255 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, 19QOS19 said: My point is they wouldn't be spouting such shite if one of their players was playing regularly for England. Scotland face tougher opposition and yet they have the audacity to say they don't think much of ours. I don't think England fans as a whole have much respect for other football nations, especially those traditionally inferior nations. How can we complain though when we treat the likes of Israel etc in probably a quite similar way. Regardless they don't think Billy Gilmour playing well against Austria, Israel, Moldova or the Faroe Islands really counts for much - It's just their viewpoint I'm not saying I agree with it. Edited October 18, 2021 by 2426255 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneteaminglasgow Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 4 minutes ago, 2426255 said: Interestingly not a failing in Billy Gilmour though? Well, the tactical set up of Norwich City isn’t his responsibility, is it? Billy Gilmour’s performances for Scotland and Chelsea show that he’s more than capable of playing at a high level. If Daniel Farke can’t go what numerous other managers have managed and find a system that gets the best out of him, then that’s on him, not Gilmour. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2426255 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 4 minutes ago, oneteaminglasgow said: Well, the tactical set up of Norwich City isn’t his responsibility, is it? Billy Gilmour’s performances for Scotland and Chelsea show that he’s more than capable of playing at a high level. If Daniel Farke can’t go what numerous other managers have managed and find a system that gets the best out of him, then that’s on him, not Gilmour. Daniel Farke has to find a system to get the best out of the Norwich City team as a whole with or without Billy Gilmour and recently it's without Billy Gilmour. It's up to Gilmour to show the manager that he is the best midfielder at the club, take his chance and force his way back into that team. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 Scotland having a far better manager than Norwich probably helps him a bit too. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneteaminglasgow Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 15 minutes ago, 2426255 said: Daniel Farke has to find a system to get the best out of the Norwich City team as a whole with or without Billy Gilmour and recently it's without Billy Gilmour. It's up to Gilmour to show the manager that he is the best midfielder at the club, take his chance and force his way back into that team. Aye, and the zero wins, two points and two goals they’ve managed so far have really vindicated his ability to do that. I really don’t think Billy Gilmour has to prove that he’s better than the likes of Kenny McLean - it’s self evident to anyone with the ability to perceive the blindingly obvious. If he stumbles upon a way to win games consistently without Billy Gilmour, then fair play to him, but I would say he’s much more likely to do that by playing Billy Gilmour (in a role which suits him) than by not playing him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2426255 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 31 minutes ago, oneteaminglasgow said: I really don’t think Billy Gilmour has to prove that he’s better than the likes of Kenny McLean - it’s self evident to anyone with the ability to perceive the blindingly obvious. If he stumbles upon a way to win games consistently without Billy Gilmour, then fair play to him, but I would say he’s much more likely to do that by playing Billy Gilmour (in a role which suits him) than by not playing him. I thought part of the remit of the loan was to begin to improve elements of the defensive side of his game. Does it represent a failure from Daniel Farke or Billy Gilmour if he can't adapt to a midfield role that's outside of his comfort zone? Wasn't the purpose of the loan to challenge and develop him? A failure for Farke and Norwich is if they get relegated, A failure for Billy Gilmour is if he doesn't make it back into the team and gets returned to Chelsea. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virtual Insanity Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 Gilmour is the best midfielder in a Scotland midfield that also contains Celtic's best midfielder and Aston Villa's best midfielder and in which a regular Manchester United starter can't get a game at the moment. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lubo_blaha Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 Quite baffling that some on here seem to think Kenny McLean is some kind of bog standard midfield hatchetman. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Problemo Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 48 minutes ago, lubo_blaha said: Quite baffling that some on here seem to think Kenny McLean is some kind of bog standard midfield hatchetman. Everything is relative - compared to Gilmour it is possibly kind to call McLean big standard. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 Quite baffling that some on here seem to think Kenny McLean is some kind of bog standard midfield hatchetman. He's a good player but at that level he's nothing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19QOS19 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 Quite baffling that some on here seem to think Kenny McLean is some kind of bog standard midfield hatchetman. I wouldn't say he's that good. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Can't believe this weirdo is still "balancing out the forum" by spending his night hunting down Norwich podcasts and trying to argue that Gilmour, who's consistently shown he's more than capable of playing at a higher level than Norwich, is shite because some two bob manager who managed Norwich to a mighty 5 wins all season last time at this level is saying so. The manager is out his depth more than Gilmour. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SweeperDee Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 https://metro.co.uk/2021/10/18/daniel-farke-explains-why-billy-gilmour-brandon-williams-arent-playing-at-norwich-15441496/Unsure if it’s been posted. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Algebraist Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 So I'm a big Gilmour fan, but would say that being good and being effective in a team are two different things. Team's and individual players have patterns, ways of moving, preferred passes, places they always stand in etc. McClean has been an important part of Norwich's pattern for years, so it's not as simple as saying "BIlly is better so he should play". You can't just stick a Lambo's engine in an Escort, it won't fit well and when you start it up the whole thing is likely to fall to bits. Similarly you can't just stick someone used to playing with Jorginho and Havertz in alongside MaClean and Pukki and expect remotely similar results. Outside influences aside (thanks for posting Sweeper), It's not surprise at all to me that on losing the first four Farke has gone back to a pattern that works. If he has made a mistake it's actually throwing Gilmour in too early, they should have given him more time to work with his teammates first. Introducing him nearer the end of games etc. In the long run it's actually better Gilmour isn't hammered into a MaClean shaped hole, he needs to play his game. If Norwich want the most out of him they'll have to adapt. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2426255 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 (edited) 22 hours ago, The Algebraist said: If Norwich want the most out of him they'll have to adapt. On 18/10/2021 at 18:38, 2426255 said: Wasn't the purpose of the loan to challenge and develop him? A failure for Farke and Norwich is if they get relegated, A failure for Billy Gilmour is if he doesn't rise to the challenge and adapt to the team and gets returned to Chelsea. Quote "We are here to win points for this club. It is not about Billy Gilmour, or Brandon Williams, Teemu Pukki, or Kenny McLean, who are all players who like to help us win points. This is also the challenge our loan players want to have. It’s not like they want a gift and play just because we’ve loaned them and because they want to play many games. They want the challenge to play ahead of the players who are our own and this is the challenge they want to face". Daniel Farke Edited October 20, 2021 by 2426255 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing.McCrosby Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 If Billy Gilmour stays at Norwich he will be their main man by the end of the season. And if they recognise this he could probably keep them up. Thats how good he is. If people think gilmour isn't a player than thats fine. But I would suggest those people couldn't spot a player and dont understand the game Or are just a fanny looking for attention. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2426255 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, BingMcCrosby said: If Billy Gilmour stays at Norwich he will be their main man by the end of the season. And if they recognise this he could probably keep them up. Thats how good he is. Really? Aren't you getting a bit carried away saying things like that? Billy Gilmour has a can do no wrong, god like status amongst some fans on here. Not sure it's healthy to be honest. I see you're following the old Heineken trick of using the word "probably" to cover your arse. Edited October 20, 2021 by 2426255 -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tartanbrush Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 Can't understand the Gilmour situation at Norwich. After watching him a number of times and now in the flesh, he is just a brilliant player simple as that. How he has been dropped for Kenny McLean is beyond me. He is a far superior player to Kenny McLean. I can't understand dropping him, from what I've seen you need to bring the best out in him. He needs the right players round about him to flourish though. At a team like Norwich who defend a lot he definitely plays better in a two rather than a one. If he was back at Chelsea he would probably flourish as the deep lying playmaker again. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleedingums Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 Norwich getting an absolute hiding from Chelsea. Maybe Billy Gilmour wasn’t the problem after all… 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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