Billy Gilmour

[Rodhull]

58 minutes ago, GordonS said:

Steven Fletcher doesn't score a lot of goals, but that wasn't his job for Scotland. His role was to bring the three behind him into play, and he did that pretty well. IMO we wouldn't have had a home play-off SF to look forward to without his Nations League performances.

Kenny Miller made the absolute most of his limited skills. He was not a prolific striker, though he played like one. He was a step down on the forwards we had before him, but a 2016 Kenny Miller would be an automatic pick now.

Would agree with this regards Miller. He's the 2nd most capped forward and 7th most capped player of all time so no wonder he's high up in the all time scoring list. It would be scandalous if he wasn't.

He'd get a game now no doubt but let's not pretend he offered more than he did. A ton of running and effort and an unfortunate inevitability of missing his one chance in crucial games is what I think of when I think of Miller playing for us.

Edited October 1, 2019 by Rodhull

[Bring Back Paddy Flannery]

Does it stand up against Gerd Mullers? or Peles?
Kenny Miller was crap absolute crap, ran around alot and then missed the 1 or 2 chances he had. Saying his record is good in comparison to other scotland strikers is a low bar really. 
Nothing against the guy personally always turned up and tried his best. But come on he was crap 

It's far more realistic to be comparing him to his fellow countrymen than fucking Pele.

Kenny Miller was far from "absolute crap" in a Scotland shirt.

[skippy2015]

Does it stand up against Gerd Mullers? or Peles?
Kenny Miller was crap absolute crap, ran around alot and then missed the 1 or 2 chances he had. Saying his record is good in comparison to other scotland strikers is a low bar really. 
Nothing against the guy personally always turned up and tried his best. But come on he was crap 

Kenny Miller overall was good for scotland. 12 of his goals came in Euro or World Cup qualifying also so big games . You said he was rubbish but let’s look at facts-
1. Scored against Iceland in 2-1 win.
2. Scored the goal in a 1-1 win against Germany - good goal to Micky Cameron quick free kick and great finish from miller.
3. Scored good header against Italy at hampden in 1 -1 draw. Possibly his best game and man of the match performance..
4. Double against Norway in 2006 qualifying away from home. Won 2-1 put is back in with a chance in group
5. Scored winner in 2-1 win over Lithuania.
6. Scored first goal in good win over Ukraine. Scored after 3 mins and one of Scotland’s best performances.
7. Beat leichstentein 2-1 but we were one nil down till 63 mins till miller scored with a good finish.
8. Scored opener against Czech Republic in 2 all draw.
9 scored equaliser against Macedonia in 1-1 draw.

[Bing.McCrosby]

1 hour ago, GordonS said:

Kenny Miller made the absolute most of his limited skills.

Id agree with that, he certainly had no lack of commitment or desire 

24 minutes ago, Bring Back Paddy Flannery said:

It's far more realistic to be comparing him to his fellow countrymen than fucking Pele.

I also agree with that, its not me who says his record stands up to anyone

20 minutes ago, skippy2015 said:

Kenny Miller overall was good for scotland. 12 of his goals came in Euro or World Cup qualifying also so big games . You said he was rubbish but let’s look at facts-
1. Scored against Iceland in 2-1 win.
2. Scored the goal in a 1-1 win against Germany - good goal to Micky Cameron quick free kick and great finish from miller.
3. Scored good header against Italy at hampden in 1 -1 draw. Possibly his best game and man of the match performance..
4. Double against Norway in 2006 qualifying away from home. Won 2-1 put is back in with a chance in group
5. Scored winner in 2-1 win over Lithuania.
6. Scored first goal in good win over Ukraine. Scored after 3 mins and one of Scotland’s best performances.
7. Beat leichstentein 2-1 but we were one nil down till 63 mins till miller scored with a good finish.
8. Scored opener against Czech Republic in 2 all draw.
9 scored equaliser against Macedonia in 1-1 draw.
 

And some days the sun shines on a dogs ass

[craigkillie]

There was a reason why he wasn't trusted against tougher opposition by just about every manager he played under, as he is a passenger for the majority of the 90 minutes he plays. Might work when you have possession against lower end teams but when you need to work much harder to get possession and the keep it, you cant afford to have likes of him in a team as you will struggle to even create a chance that he might put away.
 
 

If you're talking about Boyd here, he dragged an absolutely hopeless Killie team to safety in 2013/14 and was generally trusted in every "big game" by our various managers. This portrayal of him as being unable to work hard is completely incorrect - he grafted hard from the front for Killie, and was much better as a hold up player than he was ever given credit for, especially after he returned from playing abroad.

The problem for him was that Miller, on the whole, was generally a better option in those sort of games because he was quicker and a harder runner.

[gannonball]

Just now, craigkillie said:

If you're talking about Boyd here, he dragged an absolutely hopeless Killie team to safety in 2013/14 and was generally trusted in every "big game" by our various managers. This portrayal of him as being unable to work hard is completely incorrect - he grafted hard from the front for Killie, and was much better as a hold up player than he was ever given credit for, especially after he returned from playing abroad.

The problem for him was that Miller, on the whole, was generally a better option in those sort of games because he was quicker and a harder runner.

His hold up play did seem better in his latter years to be fair but that wouldn't have been hard to be honest. Miller wasn't the best finisher  but worked on it and I actually thought he really kicked on when beside Boyd regarding that. If Boyd had anywhere near the same attitude as Miller he would have played at a much higher level. 

[Kuro]

56 minutes ago, craigkillie said:

If you're talking about Boyd here, he dragged an absolutely hopeless Killie team to safety in 2013/14 and was generally trusted in every "big game" by our various managers. This portrayal of him as being unable to work hard is completely incorrect - he grafted hard from the front for Killie, and was much better as a hold up player than he was ever given credit for, especially after he returned from playing abroad.

The problem for him was that Miller, on the whole, was generally a better option in those sort of games because he was quicker and a harder runner.

That was Killie tbf, who are utter shite.

[Kuro]

8 hours ago, Smokerson said:

Miller's record stands up against anyone, there are only 5 men who have scored more goals for Scotland than him. His performances for Scotland rarely disappointed and was a huge factor in the decent period we had under Smith and McLeish. To Label him haddie is utter nonsense, what we would give for a Kenny miller in his prime right now.

His performances for Scotland always disappointed, every single time.  He couldn't trap a bag of cement, meaning we could never get out, and couldn't finish a fish supper.  Utter shite.

[Kuro]

5 hours ago, Smokerson said:

Never fails to amaze me how much people's opinions differ on so many subjects in football, just trying to think how someone can describe Kenny Miller as crap, was his goal at Wembley crap? He played most of his career at the highest level possible and scored a lot of goals, someone we would absolutely love to have at this minute. We haven't really produced a top number 9 since Duncan Ferguson who ended up not even playing for us, says it all.

Yes his goal at Wembley was utter crap, he mishit.  An actual sclaff that beat the keeper by pure luck.  Watch it again.

[Kuro]

3 hours ago, gannonball said:

There was a reason why he wasn't trusted against tougher opposition by just about every manager he played under, as he is a passenger for the majority of the 90 minutes he plays. Might work when you have possession against lower end teams but when you need to work much harder to get possession and the keep it, you cant afford to have likes of him in a team as you will struggle to even create a chance that he might put away.

 

 

Club management they can sign players, internatianal you can't.  We had a choice of a runner who was never going to score, or building a team to accommodate a lethal finisher.  We chose the former, remind me how it worked out again?

[Gordopolis]

Yes his goal at Wembley was utter crap, he mishit.  An actual sclaff that beat the keeper by pure luck.  Watch it again.

Yep, it was clearly a wild, blind scuffed shot. He definitely didn't rip open the space in England's defence to finish in exactly that way. Definitely not.

 

 

 

[Kuro]

7 minutes ago, Gordopolis said:

Yep, it was clearly a wild, blind scuffed shot. He definitely didn't rip open the space in England's defence to finish in exactly that way. Definitely not.

 

 

 

 

That's not the goal I was thinking of tbf, though he hardly 'ripped open' the space, he just turned, settle down a bit.

[Dindeleux]

24 minutes ago, Kuro said:

That was Killie tbf, who are utter shite.

 

22 minutes ago, Kuro said:

His performances for Scotland always disappointed, every single time.  He couldn't trap a bag of cement, meaning we could never get out, and couldn't finish a fish supper.  Utter shite.

 

21 minutes ago, Kuro said:

Yes his goal at Wembley was utter crap, he mishit.  An actual sclaff that beat the keeper by pure luck.  Watch it again.

 

20 minutes ago, Kuro said:

Club management they can sign players, internatianal you can't.  We had a choice of a runner who was never going to score, or building a team to accommodate a lethal finisher.  We chose the former, remind me how it worked out again?

 

Just now, Kuro said:

settle down a bit.

 

[Bing.McCrosby]

28 minutes ago, Kuro said:

His performances for Scotland always disappointed, every single time.  He couldn't trap a bag of cement, meaning we could never get out, and couldn't finish a fish supper.  Utter shite.

20% of all Kenny Millers goals were mis-hit scuffed shots.

80% were the ball accidently hitting off him, usually when he was looking the wrong way.

[Londonwell]

18 minutes ago, Kuro said:

That's not the goal I was thinking of tbf, though he hardly 'ripped open' the space, he just turned, settle down a bit.

You never fail to make an arse of yourself somehow, I'll give you that.

[Gordopolis]

That's not the goal I was thinking of tbf, though he hardly 'ripped open' the space, he just turned, settle down a bit.

Yeah what am I like with my hyperbole, eh?

[Burnie_man]

Yes his goal at Wembley was utter crap, he mishit.  An actual sclaff that beat the keeper by pure luck.  Watch it again.

Are you 12?

[gannonball]

3 hours ago, Kuro said:

Club management they can sign players, internatianal you can't.  We had a choice of a runner who was never going to score, or building a team to accommodate a lethal finisher.  We chose the former, remind me how it worked out again?

At lower level. His record against Celtic and any other team of note pretty much puts your opinion to bed.

Like I said there is a reason why a lot of his managers didnt trust him against higher opposition be it for club or Country.

Edited October 1, 2019 by gannonball

[ArabFC]

On 30/09/2019 at 21:27, Kuro said:

Totally agree, people go on about how strong we are in midfield, well McLean can barely get a game for Norwich and Armstrong can't get a game for Southampton and McGregor is bang average.  I'd totally have Gilmour in too.

Started their last 3 games - couldn't be bothered checking any further!

Armstrong makes a difference every time he comes on for Scotland.

[DAFC.]

51 minutes ago, ArabFC said:

Started their last 3 games - couldn't be bothered checking any further!

Armstrong makes a difference every time he comes on for Scotland.

Especially gifting England possession to score a late equaliser. His finest moment.