Stelling Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 Do the views of your owner represent your own personal views? If so, does it have any effect on you as a supporter? If not, at what point would you attempt to challenge or oppose the system? -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chief Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 (edited) I believe Dermot Desmond has made at least one large donation to the Conservative Party in the past. So I presume he is a Tory. I have never voted Tory. So it's doubtful his political views reflect mine. But it really has no effect on me as a supporter and I have no interest in protesting about it. Edited June 23, 2019 by The Chief 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mitch Posted June 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 23, 2019 If you allow your football preference influence your political preference (or vice versa) then you shouldn’t be allowed to attend football or vote. 39 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrie Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 Probably not, seeing as Roy is pretty religious. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gannonball Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 I wouldn't know where to start with our largest shareholder (Desmond) however he is not a majority shareholder. He is probably the opposite the majority of our support in terms of political views. This nearly came to a head when we were trying to get the club to pay the living wage showed and it showed how much of a reptile him and the board are. In the end they reluctantly agreed to pay them the set amount but refused to endorse actual scheme. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottmcleanscontacts Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 The two simply shouldn't be mixed. Even as a 'Yes' and SNP supporter I was uncomfortable with football fans using games as a chance to show their support for the Independence campaign etc. As for the question my presumption would be that our chairman is probably a unionist so I wouldn't let that influence me at all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JTS98 Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 (edited) A football club is a football club. People who romanticise the notion of football clubs as some kind of force for expressing a political voice (in a free society) tend to be utter morons with not too much going on in their lives, in my experience. And this extends to the owners and directors as well as players and coaches etc. I could not give a single f**k about what the political views of anybody involved at Hearts are. It's of no relevance to me. If you want to express a political voice - and I don't mean this in a glib way - join some kind of political movement or organisation. Do something to actually advance the cause that you support rather than just being a pathetic toe-in-the-water p***k who waves some shitey banner or flag or chants some moronic chant or song at a football match among other bevvied-up plastic soldiers. This holds for causes I agree and disagree with. It's got no place at the fitba. If you think it does, you're probably an arsehole. Edited June 23, 2019 by JTS98 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankthetank22 Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 Football, politics and religion shouldn't have anything to do with each other. I can't understand those who try to mix them, or introduce one into a discussion about the other. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 I doubt it's a good idea for the majority of supporters to look to deeply into the ownership's political or religious beliefs (excludes Rangers). You're unlikely to find anything pleasant. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nsr Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 Football may be corrupt but please don't let politics corrupt it even further. Politics should be banned and all politicians shot. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 Delete. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velo army Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 1 hour ago, frankthetank22 said: Football, politics and religion shouldn't have anything to do with each other. I can't understand those who try to mix them, or introduce one into a discussion about the other. This isn't really a sensible position to hold, but there is a politics forum on the general nonsense thread, so I don't want to get too into it. Football and religion are largely about social identity and community, with the belief developed secondarily (in religion, not fitba). They're also very similar in terms of symbolism and purpose of ritual, so it's no coincidence that they should be bedfellows. Celtic, for example, were founded by clergy as a charity concern to support the poor Irish (who were all catholic) and are an expression of Glasgow's Irish catholic community. It is also an expression of faith in action, which is where religion meets politics. Religion and politics should absolutely mix. Jesus was, amongst other things, a political activist. Martin Luther King was another man whose religion informed his politics. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForzaDundee Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 11 minutes ago, velo army said: This isn't really a sensible position to hold, but there is a politics forum on the general nonsense thread, so I don't want to get too into it. Football and religion are largely about social identity and community, with the belief developed secondarily (in religion, not fitba). They're also very similar in terms of symbolism and purpose of ritual, so it's no coincidence that they should be bedfellows. Celtic, for example, were founded by clergy as a charity concern to support the poor Irish (who were all catholic) and are an expression of Glasgow's Irish catholic community. It is also an expression of faith in action, which is where religion meets politics. Religion and politics should absolutely mix. Jesus was, amongst other things, a political activist. Martin Luther King was another man whose religion informed his politics. Agree with this. It's fashionable to now follow the line that sport and politics shouldn't mix. FIFA and UEFA are particularly keen to get this message across as it makes the game easier to market for sponsorship money. What they fail give recognition to is that the very reason that football has become the successful global game it is today is that the game and clubs have always been fiercely linked to supporters' identity be that ethnic, political or religious. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForzaDundee Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, ali_91 said: Of course, if we let the vast majority of religions have any say over politics, homosexuality would be illegal. Religion can lead peoples morals, but it has absolutely no place in politics. Religion is politics. It is the method that the intellectual ruling class used to define laws and morality before our modern methods of law and order were possible. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastecoatwilly Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 I know where this thread is heading. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Moomintroll Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 I have no idea how Billy or Phyllis vote & I don't care, might have a sneaky suspicion about Cathy's political leanings though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dindeleux Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 1 hour ago, MixuFixit said: You reckon? Barcelona vs Real Madrid is all the more exciting because of the politics involved. Same with Napoli vs any northern Italian teams etc. I’ve never once sat down in front of the TV to watch El Classico and thought to myself “god the politics make this game so much better”. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennysmassiveego Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 I get why fans wave non Scottish flags at a football match if they have players from that country playing for them . What I don’t understand is the waving of arbitrary flags with no connection to the club 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountyFan Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 1 hour ago, velo army said: Religion and politics should absolutely mix. Jesus was, amongst other things, a political activist. Martin Luther King was another man whose religion informed his politics. Actually, Jesus was fictional. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gannonball Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Dindeleux said: I’ve never once sat down in front of the TV to watch El Classico and thought to myself “god the politics make this game so much better”. You don't think the Franco years add at least something in terms of needle? It goes way beyond to the two biggest teams in the country for me. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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