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6 minutes ago, lowenan said:

Very odd that Faldhouse would prefer to end up being the sole East Junior Team. 

There is still Whitburn and the 3 tribute acts. So that's 5 teams, maybe they can play each other 8 times per season, giving 32 league games?

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18 minutes ago, Marten said:

There is still Whitburn and the 3 tribute acts. So that's 5 teams, maybe they can play each other 8 times per season, giving 32 league games?

Bathgate armadale 

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17 minutes ago, Sure & Steadfast said:

 

Armadale

Bathgate

Bo’ness

Fauldhouse

Harthill

Linlithgow

Livingston

Pumpherston

Sauchie

Stoneyburn

Syngenta

West Calder

Whitburn

 

That looks an absolutely awful league, and some of those will still leave as well, so there will be even fewer clubs left...

Any club preferring this over the EOS is absolutely mad.

Edited by Marten

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2 hours ago, TheLad said:

Do these 'professional contracts' all meet the conditions of national minimum wage and other workers rights?

If the employer is not meeting all their legal obligations, cant imagine they will gain too much from pursuing a case against other parties who are not?

I'm not saying Fauldhouse are not meeting all their obligations. I simply dont know. But then I'm pretty sure most clubs at this level wont be.

As stated previously though, players are often brought to clubs by a manager, because of a manager and if the manager leaves (perhaps for reasons or beliefs the player may share) it has to be expected that they might want to go also.

The club may dig their heels in but being arsey might put off replacement players which is not a great idea when you are struggling to bring in the players you want anyway.

That was my immediate thoughts.  Any club at this level who goes after a player for breach of contract would require a lot of balls. 

Judge/sfa why did you leave the club player x?
 

Player x - i wasn’t being payed appropriately
club-you were payed the agreed £40 on time every week.

player x - I worked 10 hours for that, I’m away.

case dismissed

next day

hmrc - we have reason to believe you aren’t paying NMW following the claims of player x,  are his claimed hours and pay correct?

club- yes

hmrc- well your due him £2k, us a £500 fine and we’re checking your books for any other employee you haven’t payed NMW.

6 months later.  Aye checked the books and over the last 5 years you have underpaid these 50 guys an average of £2.5k. Pay up.

club- Ah f**k.

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24 minutes ago, Marten said:

That looks an absolutely awful league, and some of those will still leave as well, so there will be even fewer clubs left...

Any club preferring this over the EOS is absolutely mad.

Whats not to like? Throw in a Scottish junior cup, EOS cup with the Tayside teams and a sectional league cup and its perfect.

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4 hours ago, Che Dail said:

I'd have though most will  be professional non-contact at least. 

At the end of the day, in practice pro-contract terms apply to actual professional footballers and not pretendy / semi-amateur ones.

If the consequences are real, I.e. a person's livelihood is at stake, they're less likely to just walk out.

Reality is the players sign for managers not clubs and there's little they can do if a player downs tools or goes AWOL.

its different nowadays
first of all in junior when I played we only had either amateur form or professional form and this was before the Bosman ruling. I wouldn't say I was volatile but if I wasn't happy with something as captain I would deal with it and get it sorted with the manager but for many players, too many times, managers would go in a huff and not play those players and even if you had a contract for a year, professional that is, you could not leave the following years as you were tied to the club until they got money for you, sometimes players were tied for years cause they had a fall out with the gaffer and didn't play a game.
I always stayed on amateur forms with teams I was at Benburb, Annbank, Dalry, Hurlford, Saltcoats and Blantyre Vics and reached a level were I was aid very well but if I wasn't happy with a team then I could leave at the end of the season.   Most clubs take on a lot of youth, usually for the sake of it, not on merit because they don't have enough players etc.... especially at the start of the season but all the rules have changed regarding youth players contracts but the older players rules have changed  as well but still the amateur forms and professional forms exist. it really depends on the clubs views of contracts and situation what they decide is best for them and then agreement with each player.

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2 hours ago, lowenan said:

Very odd that Faldhouse would prefer to end up being the sole East Junior Team. 

They still have five weeks to see sense. When dealing with stubborn older people it's sometimes best to try to find a way that allows them to appear to be still very much in charge of events when doing the sensible thing even when they are really not. Otherwise there's a danger it degenerates into a dispute over who is in charge and they'll stick to what they have always done just to prove that's still them.

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3 hours ago, TheLad said:

Do these 'professional contracts' all meet the conditions of national minimum wage and other workers rights?

If the employer is not meeting all their legal obligations, cant imagine they will gain too much from pursuing a case against other parties who are not?

I'm not saying Fauldhouse are not meeting all their obligations. I simply dont know. But then I'm pretty sure most clubs at this level wont be.

As stated previously though, players are often brought to clubs by a manager, because of a manager and if the manager leaves (perhaps for reasons or beliefs the player may share) it has to be expected that they might want to go also.

The club may dig their heels in but being arsey might put off replacement players which is not a great idea when you are struggling to bring in the players you want anyway.

Most junior players are not full time with the club so the contract is only part time, training two nights  a week and playing a game, so in realty, 2 hours training, twice a week and less than 3 hours of football, including arriving time  so the contract is for say 7 hours in total.  its not calculated that way as per contract but that's in reality what the contract is for.  As long as all contracts cover national guidelines then there shouldn't be  a problem.  But remember an amateur form is strictly that for amateurs so the money they get is for travelling expense, outgoings, boots etc..  if your a really good player and the team want you and you wanna stay amateur then they might take a chance and pay out extra for you.

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18 hours ago, jc1 said:

All the best to Fauldhouse utd in the future. My time has came to an end I want to thank everyone for the support in the 3 years. I leave with a heavy heart but my position became impossible to continue in. No slagging matches ect I'll be forever grateful for the opportunity but the time is right to leave

sorry to hear your leaving. hope theres no truth in the rumour I heard that you are going to whitburn?

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Haha not going anywhere just now having a few days to chill then decide what route I'll go down next. Very disappointed its ended the way it has. But I walk away knowing I gave my everything and more at times but means nothing when your eyes are opened to things

sorry to hear your leaving. hope theres no truth in the rumour I heard that you are going to whitburn?

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Haha not going anywhere just now having a few days to chill then decide what route I'll go down next. Very disappointed its ended the way it has. But I walk away knowing I gave my everything and more at times but means nothing when your eyes are opened to things
Rumours the east region referees have been having a firework party tonight recharge your batteries learn from this experience and get back into the game you have so much to offer there will be plenty of clubs who will match the ambition that you have inside

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Announcements and comments on social media, but no official statement from the club. Deafening Silence !! Poor show, what players do we have left ? Who will lead the team during the interim period ?
Do we have a team ? From the outside looking in when the squad is being strengthened surely it’s with a collective vision for the future from everyone involved at the club ?? Have the management and players been led up the garden path regarding moving out of the East Region Juniors ? As a mere paying punter who takes pleasure in taking my son along it all seems an absolute shambles.

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37 minutes ago, PJS said:

Announcements and comments on social media, but no official statement from the club. Deafening Silence !! Poor show, what players do we have left ? Who will lead the team during the interim period ?
Do we have a team ? From the outside looking in when the squad is being strengthened surely it’s with a collective vision for the future from everyone involved at the club ?? Have the management and players been led up the garden path regarding moving out of the East Region Juniors ? As a mere paying punter who takes pleasure in taking my son along it all seems an absolute shambles.

Got to agree with you. When Jc1 quit Faudhouse it was a shock for me as a non-Hoose fan. So much ‘chat’ has come through in last 36 hours and an initial tweet from a committee member has now been removed, as well as his actual account.

I appreciate that officials at Fauldhouse may not want to reply on Social media but a collective response from a ‘Fauldhouse handle’ should be done and the sooner the better!

Fans who go to Park View should be given that respect at least.

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Got to agree with you. When Jc1 quit Faudhouse it was a shock for me as a non-Hoose fan. So much ‘chat’ has come through in last 36 hours and an initial tweet from a committee member has now been removed, as well as his actual account.
I appreciate that officials at Fauldhouse may not want to reply on Social media but a collective response from a ‘Fauldhouse handle’ should be done and the sooner the better!
Fans who go to Park View should be given that respect at least.

Very well said !!
The longer it takes the more attention it gathers.
It would seem the FUFC hierarchy find themselves in an uncomfortable position ??

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18 hours ago, parsforlife said:

That was my immediate thoughts.  Any club at this level who goes after a player for breach of contract would require a lot of balls. 

Judge/sfa why did you leave the club player x?
 

Player x - i wasn’t being payed appropriately
club-you were payed the agreed £40 on time every week.

player x - I worked 10 hours for that, I’m away.

case dismissed

next day

hmrc - we have reason to believe you aren’t paying NMW following the claims of player x,  are his claimed hours and pay correct?

club- yes

hmrc- well your due him £2k, us a £500 fine and we’re checking your books for any other employee you haven’t payed NMW.

6 months later.  Aye checked the books and over the last 5 years you have underpaid these 50 guys an average of £2.5k. Pay up.

club- Ah f**k.

You have a point (are professional contracts at this level of football worth the paper they're written on?)  and in practice, for the relatively small sums involved, it's probably not worth the hassle to pursue a claim via SFA dispute resolution procedures (there is no 'Judge'!).

But I think you're underestimating the vast majority of properly run clubs by assuming / alleging they don't operate in accordance with the law in terms of employment, HMRC reporting, deducting PAYE etc.

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