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4 minutes ago, edinabear said:

Has anyone actually tried to put this in place?

Yes. In early 2014 a proposal to go to 2 divisions was voted on in advance of the SPFL pyramid coming into effect from 2014-15. It was meant to be 2x Divisions of 10 playing each other twice. With the League Cup adding groups to bulk up the number of games with Championship & Promotion play-offs and another cup. Then there was also the idea of playing each other three times a season instead. This early attempt is usually called the "Stables Plan".

It got shot down in a vote. Then the basic idea has been revived a couple of times. While the HFL have voted to split into 2x Divisions if they exceed 20 clubs, the idea of two small divisions isn't a popular enough idea for them to pursue under their own steam.

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8 hours ago, Ivo den Bieman said:

There’s no interest, people. The SHFL is utterly allergic to any change whatsoever. Add that to the utter disinterest in the NCL and North juniors and all the nice pyramid diagrams won’t ever make it off the page.

Banks O’Dee might be half interested. Beyond that, no change in the foreseeable future.

Brora, Broch, Formartine the front runners this season, with Brora the favourites IMO.

The NCL are interested in joining the pyramid. The North Juniors aren't though and that's stopping the NCL from joining.

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I play in the North Region Juniors and it is what it is. It's a halfway house between Highland League and amateur football. There are a couple of teams I have played who really are poor and are amateur level but that's just one or two. The top amateur league has teams who would compete in the NRJFA bottom tier but then Banks of Dee would be a top 5 Highland League team I reckon and Culter, Dyce, Bridge of Don, Montrose Roselea are better than the worst highland league teams. It's essentially for guys who all want to take their football relatively seriously, can all play to a reasonably capable level and want to be part of a structured team. Training twice a week etc. The travelling in the Highland league is a lot more. I'm not sure what people expect from about the 7th Tier of a 5 million country. I will leave my team unnamed but there are a handful of people who support/follow us and it means a lot to them. That's what this level of football is about though. We will sit in the social club/bar after the game with these guys and they will speak to us about the game and they genuinely care about the results/how the club is getting on and they will help out with putting up nets etc with the groundsman and the committee so the players don't have to get involved in that side of it. They are more involved/connected than if they watched a bigger club. Every team has to have their own pitch which is fenced off etc which just makes the whole playing experience more enjoyable. I  play Junior football because I enjoy football being competitive rather than pulling my hair out playing with my mates on a council pitch where the ball of an adjacent pitch makes its way on etc. People can criticise it all they like but it does provide a good medium for people like myself who are by no means superstars and dont want any financial reward but can play a bit. I have played in/seen cup/playoff matches where the attendances have hit a few hundred. I think the thing with attendances is that the only people who care about Juniors are people involved and a handful who go to each game. Then when a cup game gets played when no other games are on people of other teams go along and watch.

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1 hour ago, ScottishZizou said:

I'm not sure what people expect from about the 7th Tier of a 5 million country.

That's a very good point.

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1 hour ago, ScottishZizou said:

I play in the North Region Juniors and it is what it is. It's a halfway house between Highland League and amateur football. There are a couple of teams I have played who really are poor and are amateur level but that's just one or two. The top amateur league has teams who would compete in the NRJFA bottom tier but then Banks of Dee would be a top 5 Highland League team I reckon and Culter, Dyce, Bridge of Don, Montrose Roselea are better than the worst highland league teams. It's essentially for guys who all want to take their football relatively seriously, can all play to a reasonably capable level and want to be part of a structured team. Training twice a week etc. The travelling in the Highland league is a lot more. I'm not sure what people expect from about the 7th Tier of a 5 million country. I will leave my team unnamed but there are a handful of people who support/follow us and it means a lot to them. That's what this level of football is about though. We will sit in the social club/bar after the game with these guys and they will speak to us about the game and they genuinely care about the results/how the club is getting on and they will help out with putting up nets etc with the groundsman and the committee so the players don't have to get involved in that side of it. They are more involved/connected than if they watched a bigger club. Every team has to have their own pitch which is fenced off etc which just makes the whole playing experience more enjoyable. I  play Junior football because I enjoy football being competitive rather than pulling my hair out playing with my mates on a council pitch where the ball of an adjacent pitch makes its way on etc. People can criticise it all they like but it does provide a good medium for people like myself who are by no means superstars and dont want any financial reward but can play a bit. I have played in/seen cup/playoff matches where the attendances have hit a few hundred. I think the thing with attendances is that the only people who care about Juniors are people involved and a handful who go to each game. Then when a cup game gets played when no other games are on people of other teams go along and watch.

Great post Zizou.  Really sums up what the Juniors are all about, a good grade of football to be involved in.

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Yes a very interesting post there, thanks.

But there's no reason that it applies especially to the juniors as "a grade", whatever that means. All those things listed apply to HL, LL, EoS, SoS just as much, and there's absolutely no reason they would not carry on being true as a member of the HFL as opposed to the NRJ.

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4 minutes ago, Ranaldo Bairn said:

Yes a very interesting post there, thanks.

But there's no reason that it applies especially to the juniors as "a grade", whatever that means. All those things listed apply to HL, LL, EoS, SoS just as much, and there's absolutely no reason they would not carry on being true as a member of the HFL as opposed to the NRJ.

My post was more to do with people who were sort of making fun of no people going to watch Junior Football. It doesn’t exist to produce pleasing stats, it exists for people to take part in something. I agree with your point. As a junior player I would like to see promotion to the HL and relegation to juniors. I am not attached to the grade or term “juniors” and know my experience would be the exact same if I played in “Highland League Division 1” or whatever.  However if the pyramid was to work up north the highland league would have to be flexible about floodlights etc. It’s complete unfeasible for a club such as the one I play for (despite having good players who could maybe compete at mid HL level) to be able to implement floodlights and it’s the same for many others when they have players paying subs to play for them. It’s not that I don’t like the thought of the pyramid and wouldn’t want to not play “junior” football. It’s just that it’s all a little redundant when if we were to win the league we couldn’t go up anyway with the infrastructure. Before anyone comments regarding “ambition”, these clubs have tiny committees filled with old people with no business experience but big effort levels and a lot of passion and a group of guys working full time with families playing a hobby.  It’s not feasible for these clubs to put everything in place 

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5 minutes ago, Ranaldo Bairn said:

Yes a very interesting post there, thanks.

But there's no reason that it applies especially to the juniors as "a grade", whatever that means. All those things listed apply to HL, LL, EoS, SoS just as much, and there's absolutely no reason they would not carry on being true as a member of the HFL as opposed to the NRJ.

In this context the word "grade" is merely a shorthand way of describing the different requirements of different leagues and associations.  For example, the requirement for floodlights , licensing, etc  distinguishes the Highland League etc from the Juniors, just as enclosed pitches, safe passage to and from the pitch for officials, requirement for assistants in Superleague games, players on contracts provides a differentiation between Junior and Amateur/Welfare, where these requirements do not apply by rule..

At no time was it stated that these things apply especially to the Juniors, nor was there an intention to imply that the Juniors are better or worse than other "grades".

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Ok that's fine, I'm just fed up seeing posts talking about the magic of the grade, or clubs betraying the grade by leaving for senior leagues. It's all just football clubs, with slightly different management of leagues or facilities required.

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Fancy Brora to take the title come the end of the season,though the Broch will run them close.

The Broch's problem is when they face up to so called lesser teams,they've a habit of dropping points.

Looking for the Vale to continue their improvement over recent seasons,top half finish would be grand.

Would love to see a pyramid below the SHFL,involving the NCL and north/north of the tay juniors,needs someone to take the lead though.

 

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8 hours ago, Ranaldo Bairn said:

Ok that's fine, I'm just fed up seeing posts talking about the magic of the grade, or clubs betraying the grade by leaving for senior leagues. It's all just football clubs, with slightly different management of leagues or facilities required.

I think up North people recognise that and honestly I don’t think there’d be too much of a fuss if we were told our league was being rebranded Highland League 2/3/4. Eventually as well the highland league would be way more Aberdeen based and of a higher standard. But the problem is that teams would have to refuse promotion as they couldn’t comply with regulations and they don’t have the resources to change that which  isn’t really feasible for them to have. 

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19 hours ago, ScottishZizou said:

Eventually as well the highland league would be way more Aberdeen based

Fucking hope not, the Super League is bad enough already.

Edited by welshbairn

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1 hour ago, welshbairn said:

Fucking hope not, the Super League is bad enough already.

Well I think the super league would actually then be populated by the country teams as Dyce, Bridge of Don, Hermes etc took their place in the Highland League!  

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I think up North people recognise that and honestly I don’t think there’d be too much of a fuss if we were told our league was being rebranded Highland League 2/3/4. Eventually as well the highland league would be way more Aberdeen based and of a higher standard. But the problem is that teams would have to refuse promotion as they couldn’t comply with regulations and they don’t have the resources to change that which  isn’t really feasible for them to have. 


The standards gone consistently downhill since the arrival of Shire teams in recent years. Dunno if we need more.

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19 minutes ago, Jimmy Shaker said:

 


The standards gone consistently downhill since the arrival of Shire teams in recent years. Dunno if we need more.

Isn't that one side of it? Arrival of weaker sides = Departure of stronger sides. Caledonian, Thistle, Ross County, Peterhead and Elgin City total 48 titles. Their replacements Wick, Inverurie, Formartine, Turriff and Strathspey have 0.

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13 hours ago, Jimmy Shaker said:

 


The standards gone consistently downhill since the arrival of Shire teams in recent years. Dunno if we need more.

 

I think it’s undeniable that the biggest junior teams would beat the bottom few teams in the Highland League and would make it a stronger league with less thumpings. 

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Biggest junior teams? There's only one, and they're not interested in shifting.

Plus we've already seen the addition of Formartine and Turriff cause problems with thinning out an ever-decreasing pool of talent in the Shire. Sticking another Shire side in will only cause that to get worse. 

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3 hours ago, Jimmy Shaker said:

Biggest junior teams? There's only one, and they're not interested in shifting.

Plus we've already seen the addition of Formartine and Turriff cause problems with thinning out an ever-decreasing pool of talent in the Shire. Sticking another Shire side in will only cause that to get worse. 

It sounds like you want the Highland league to be in two tiers then? 

Dyce/Hermes/Culter/Bridge of Don would all beat Fort William, Lossiemouth and Turriff with their current squads easily as well as banks of Dee 

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Two tiers is the last thing anyone wants. The plan - to make everyone play more cup games to compensate for less league games - was shot down and hopefully stays down. 

Those teams won't beat anyone in the SHFL because they won't join. 

Edited by Jimmy Shaker

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54 minutes ago, Jimmy Shaker said:

Two tiers is the last thing anyone wants. The plan - to make everyone play more cup games to compensate for less league games - was shot down and hopefully stays down. 

Those teams won't beat anyone in the SHFL because they won't join. 

So what do you want exactly? You don’t want a smaller league although that would be a way to increase quality. You don’t want more city teams although that again would increase quality. But you are complaining about the current quality. 

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