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48 minutes ago, Moomintroll said:
1 hour ago, The OP said:
I forgot 'Not Having Colonies'.  Fucking Darien scheme. 

We would even managed to bollocks that up, cannot think a single Panamanian player.

That's true, for a nation with a greater population than Uruguay and a similar population to Croatia they're pretty shite. 

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5 hours ago, Cptn Hooch said:

Can't say I agree with that. We have Ryan Fraser, Scott McTominay and Stuart Armstrong who all play in the same league as Robertson with McLean and McGinn joining them from next season. Robertson has also flattered to deceive a bit in a Scotland shirt at times. Not saying he isn't a great player but I don't think we missed him last night and the boy Taylor filled the gap brilliantly.

 

If we look at the recipe for Belgium's (and most nations) success it's a core group of players brought through the youth ranks together, playing the same style at each level. Blood them into the national side fairly early (we play plenty of meaningless friendlies so why not use these?) alongside a few experienced players. I think our team last night had less than 150 caps between them....Hazard has had about 100 himself. Clarke made some bold decisions but I think he's been right in doing so...we needed to get away from the likes of Allan McGregor, Scott Brown and Steven Fletcher and bring in newer players. Other nations have capped players who barely play for their clubs like Foden and Hudson-Odoi for England, we should be looking to bring in hungry young players regardless of where they play their football. Guys like Halkett, Taylor, McNulty, Griffiths, McKenna, Soutar, Bates etc should have been in and around the squad for a while now so they develop an understanding with each other and get used to international football.

Belgium's footballers are far more skilful than ours

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Belgium's footballers are far more skilful than ours
I'm not disputing that fact but they've also had a very settled group of players for a long time. Iceland were the same when they had that run in the euros...we have a billion players with 1 cap each (for the avoidance of doubt, I'm exaggerating). We're not going to magically produce the next Cristiano McNaldo but a settled squad who know each other and are brought through together is surely more beneficial than a group of guys turning up international week and meeting each other for the first time. Skillful players only get teams so far (Argentina and Messi for example) but team work....I'm gonna say it...I can't believe I'm gonna say it....makes the dream work. We won't win a major tournament anytime soon but with a tight knit squad who've grown up together we might just qualify for a few. Livingston aren't blessed with skillful players but back to back promotion was achieved and the majority of the players playing this season had featured in league 1 only 2 years previous. Decades ago the Scotland squad wasn't full of surprises and we had a half decent team for our level...how many times in the last 10-15 years have you looked at a Scotland squad and thought "who's that?" Only to find out he's a 30 year old Englishman whose gran once had a caravan in Dunoon?

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36 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said:

True, but I always try and separate our ability to produce players and the management/composition of the current pool of players.

McArthur and Ritchie should be in the current pool and starting. Previous management ignored Arfield and he switched to Canada. Current management, like their predecessors, are ignoring Lindsay who could playing in Serie A next season. If not, he could move to a bigger Championship side.

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31 minutes ago, Cptn Hooch said:
42 minutes ago, ewan14 said:
Belgium's footballers are far more skilful than ours

I'm not disputing that fact but they've also had a very settled group of players for a long time. Iceland were the same when they had that run in the euros...we have a billion players with 1 cap each (for the avoidance of doubt, I'm exaggerating). We're not going to magically produce the next Cristiano McNaldo but a settled squad who know each other and are brought through together is surely more beneficial than a group of guys turning up international week and meeting each other for the first time. Skillful players only get teams so far (Argentina and Messi for example) but team work....I'm gonna say it...I can't believe I'm gonna say it....makes the dream work. We won't win a major tournament anytime soon but with a tight knit squad who've grown up together we might just qualify for a few. Livingston aren't blessed with skillful players but back to back promotion was achieved and the majority of the players playing this season had featured in league 1 only 2 years previous. Decades ago the Scotland squad wasn't full of surprises and we had a half decent team for our level...how many times in the last 10-15 years have you looked at a Scotland squad and thought "who's that?" Only to find out he's a 30 year old Englishman whose gran once had a caravan in Dunoon?

I want to upvote you for this post, which is great. Yet I also want to down vote you for the abortion in bold.

 

Decisions, decisions..... :)

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McArthur has retired from international football.  

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I want to upvote you for this post, which is great. Yet I also want to down vote you for the abortion in bold.
 
Decisions, decisions.....


I think the McNaldo line makes the decision for you.

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McArthur has retired from international football.  


And Gunn has never “switched allegiances”.

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Just back from Belgium, there has been a big change in the atmosphere since the last game out in San Marino . Everyone I spoke to seemed to have great faith in Steve Clarke turning it round . Considering the fact Belgium are on a different planet ,and  our weakened  team , we all thought the players did fine . A good shape to the team ,they all seemed to know what their role was ,and fewer errors , yes the goal on halftime was a sickener and I know Belgium missed a few .

On last nights evidence  we probably have a 40% chance of qualification through the playoffs in March, whereas if they had kept McLeish on the chance of qualification was zero .

Not seen the highlights yet but from our vantage point Fraser, McTominnay,McLean look good for the future , Marshall some cracking saves but his distribution is awful. 

Pretty confident that better times lie ahead .

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I want to upvote you for this post, which is great. Yet I also want to down vote you for the abortion in bold.
 
Decisions, decisions.....
I feel dirty for saying it but the sentiment is true enough...the greeny makes up for the week I've had though, ta

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I think the McNaldo line makes the decision for you.
Greeny it is then?

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1 hour ago, Cptn Hooch said:
1 hour ago, ewan14 said:
Belgium's footballers are far more skilful than ours

I'm not disputing that fact but they've also had a very settled group of players for a long time. Iceland were the same when they had that run in the euros...we have a billion players with 1 cap each (for the avoidance of doubt, I'm exaggerating). We're not going to magically produce the next Cristiano McNaldo but a settled squad who know each other and are brought through together is surely more beneficial than a group of guys turning up international week and meeting each other for the first time. Skillful players only get teams so far (Argentina and Messi for example) but team work....I'm gonna say it...I can't believe I'm gonna say it....makes the dream work. We won't win a major tournament anytime soon but with a tight knit squad who've grown up together we might just qualify for a few. Livingston aren't blessed with skillful players but back to back promotion was achieved and the majority of the players playing this season had featured in league 1 only 2 years previous. Decades ago the Scotland squad wasn't full of surprises and we had a half decent team for our level...how many times in the last 10-15 years have you looked at a Scotland squad and thought "who's that?" Only to find out he's a 30 year old Englishman whose gran once had a caravan in Dunoon?

A number on here have been suggesting this for years, but have been shouted down effectively as the young hungry players aren't as good as the old repetitive failures hence we should keep playing said failures to the point we now have players in their late 20's with less caps than they should have

Take odonnell for example, he made one appearance for the u21's and then spent 5 years in the international wilderness, nkw he's 27 with 7 caps and is expected to be NT standard, if he wasnt good enough for the u21's and not good enough for 5 years, what makes him good enough now at 27 when he lacks the necessary experience of playing at this level, 

But what will happen now is that he'll be a regular for the next 5 or 6 years, maybe end up with 30 caps at the ripe old age of 33, chuck it and scotland will then throw in another right back who's mid twenties and never had a kick at NT level and expect miracles off him instead

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34 minutes ago, Big Ally said:

Just back from Belgium, there has been a big change in the atmosphere since the last game out in San Marino . Everyone I spoke to seemed to have great faith in Steve Clarke turning it round . Considering the fact Belgium are on a different planet ,and  our weakened  team , we all thought the players did fine . A good shape to the team ,they all seemed to know what their role was ,and fewer errors , yes the goal on halftime was a sickener and I know Belgium missed a few .

On last nights evidence  we probably have a 40% chance of qualification through the playoffs in March, whereas if they had kept McLeish on the chance of qualification was zero .

Not seen the highlights yet but from our vantage point Fraser, McTominnay,McLean look good for the future , Marshall some cracking saves but his distribution is awful. 

Pretty confident that better times lie ahead .

The fact that fraser and mctominnay didnt start both games is ridiculous, while they are hungry young players scotland should be starting them every game they fit and available 

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42 minutes ago, TheScarf said:

McArthur has retired from international football.  

With less than 5 caps a year on average in his time with the team shows where Scotland are failing

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You only need 11 players to be the world's best at football.    It's not good enough to settle for mediocrity because we *only* have 5.3 million people to select from.    It's going to cost in excess of £100 million pounds for the government to refurbish the Glasgow School of Art.    Let's have a referendum on whether the spend to cash on some art school or a brand new shiny national football stadium.   Let's get hockey, volleyball, badminton etc in the sea and let the boys play football in P.E.    SportScotland receives around £30million per annum or £6 tax money per person and football will only receive a small percentage of this money.     If Belgium can be the best international football team in the world, New Zealand the best at rugby, Australia the best loads of sports we absolutely don't need to accept mediocrity.     But it requires greater government involvement imo and a scrapping of the SFA.   
This.

Plus football should be free for kids to play. SPFL, SFA, Government, Councils, Sponsors and Lottery can pay for it.

Open up the school halls at weekends and evening and let kids use them when they are lying empty.

Plus let all kids into games for free on non all ticket SPFL games to inspire the next generation.

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13 minutes ago, 54_and_counting said:

A number on here have been suggesting this for years, but have been shouted down effectively as the young hungry players aren't as good as the old repetitive failures hence we should keep playing said failures to the point we now have players in their late 20's with less caps than they should have

Take odonnell for example, he made one appearance for the u21's and then spent 5 years in the international wilderness, nkw he's 27 with 7 caps and is expected to be NT standard, if he wasnt good enough for the u21's and not good enough for 5 years, what makes him good enough now at 27 when he lacks the necessary experience of playing at this level, 

But what will happen now is that he'll be a regular for the next 5 or 6 years, maybe end up with 30 caps at the ripe old age of 33, chuck it and scotland will then throw in another right back who's mid twenties and never had a kick at NT level and expect miracles off him instead

We're not exactly blessed with RB's, however I have high hopes for Liam Smith if he continues his development at Dundee Utd, although I'd hoped that he would have been more ambitious and moved up a level from the Championship as he is clearly far too good to be playing 2nd tier in Scotland.

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5 minutes ago, ftk said:

This.

Plus football should be free for kids to play. SPFL, SFA, Government, Councils, Sponsors and Lottery can pay for it.

Open up the school halls at weekends and evening and let kids use them when they are lying empty.

Plus let all kids into games for free on non all ticket SPFL games to inspire the next generation.

Unfortunately kids just don't seem interested in sports these days.

I know from a Golfing perspective that all our local clubs offer free membership, free lessons / coaching and even the loan of clubs but they still can't attract anyone in.

Pretty sad and just a sign of the times I'm afraid.............

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4 minutes ago, WATTOO said:

We're not exactly blessed with RB's, however I have high hopes for Liam Smith if he continues his development at Dundee Utd, although I'd hoped that he would have been more ambitious and moved up a level from the Championship as he is clearly far too good to be playing 2nd tier in Scotland.

Surely there is one or two prospects in their early twenties or in the u21's, throwing a one u21 cap guy in at the age of 27 is shite as he'll never have the necessary experience for the international stage

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Unfortunately kids just don't seem interested in sports these days.
I know from a Golfing perspective that all our local clubs offer free membership, free lessons / coaching and even the loan of clubs but they still can't attract anyone in.
Pretty sad and just a sign of the times I'm afraid.............
Kids love football though. If they had free clubs after school and at weekends I'm sure they would be full.

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4 minutes ago, 54_and_counting said:

Surely there is one or two prospects in their early twenties or in the u21's, throwing a one u21 cap guy in at the age of 27 is shite as he'll never have the necessary experience for the international stage

Liam Smith is / was the Scotland U21 RB (although that's him over age now).

In fairness we do have quite a young side at the moment and the times to really gauge us will be at home to Russia as we really need to be showing that we can compete with them.

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