Bully Wee Villa Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 16 minutes ago, Salvo Montalbano said: To be fair to la Liga, individual clubs used to be able to negotiate their own TV deals (which meant Barcelona and Real Madrid made massively more than the other clubs combined) but now they have a collective bargaining system where the smaller clubs get a much bigger slice of the pie. Yes, I did read they might be doing that. I'm sure that Barcelona and Real Madrid opposed the change while supporting FFP, though! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Moomintroll Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 There are always quirks towards the end of the season where teams get an easier ride against particular opponents whose season turns out to be over by the time the match happens. That’s not a lack of integrity that’s just good or bad luck.I remember Hearts missing out on Europe after Celtic, with the title in the bag and a cup final the following weekend, lost to Kilmarnock and in our 2015 championship season. For that matter Hearts, weeks after securing the 2015 championship, salvaged a late draw against a Kilmarnock side who they’d beaten 10-0 in their previous meeting. They did what now? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnoustie Young Guvnor Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 27 minutes ago, bairney said: If PSG get hit, it could be a house of cards set in motion. PSG should be top of the list, what they have done should be illegal and has been hugely damaging for the game, warping the transfer market for all other clubs who don't benefit from state aid from an oil rich sheikdom. Disgusting institution that now financially bully other clubs when the way they fund it should be illegal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnoustie Young Guvnor Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 (edited) If people haven't read how they funded the Neymar transfer people should be in court for it. Neymar isn't an employee of PSG. The Qatari govt hired him as an ambassador for the 2022 WC, paying him 300 million Euros as a signing on fee. With that he bought himself out of his Barca contract by activating his 222m Euro release clasue, the rest went to him and his agent (his dad). They pay him a salary for this role of around 750k per week. This is done so his wages and transfer fee don't appear on PSG's balance, meaning they don't breach FFP rules, and they effectively get him for nothing. Until that deal release clauses were set ridiculously high to dissuade suitors, and a rule of thumb was a player would cost about half his release fee, or slightly less. Once PSG paid Neymar's release clause in full that changes the market for all clubs, now all clubs want the release clause paid in full. Meaning players become exponentially more expensive for all clubs, but with no extra money generated to fund this and only PSG benefiting from state aid to pay for their largesse. Last month they knocked back bids for Cavani. Atletico wanted him, were willing to pay 16m Euros for a guy turning 33 who was out of contract in 4 months. PSG knocked it back saying they want 25. That's how ridiculous it is, PSG play in the French league where TV money isn't that big, they haven't been to a CL final ever and they don't sell out their ground. Yet they're in a position to knock back 16 million for a back-up striker who is out of contract in four months. Its a ridiculous situation and damaging to the game as a whole. Edited February 15, 2020 by Carnoustie Young Guvnor 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Surely stringent rules against Third Party Ownership would stop that level of shitebaggery without ringfencing the top clubs? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnoustie Young Guvnor Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 6 minutes ago, Bully Wee Villa said: Surely stringent rules against Third Party Ownership would stop that level of shitebaggery without ringfencing the top clubs? I think they officially lease him to PSG for a token fee to get that round that, but they don't pay his wages and his insurance etc will be covered by the Qatari govt too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bairney Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Better late than never agrees Europe. https://amp.theguardian.com/football/2020/feb/15/better-late-than-never-european-reaction-to-manchester-city-champions-league-ban 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 The ironic thing is that Man City probably aren't the worst offenders. If there is fairness then you'd hope they would pursue the likes of PSG who are clearly manipulating the rules to avoid FFP. I just have a nagging feeling that they won't. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 So Man City flout the financial fair play rules and still cannae win it. Minter 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan Dave Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 If people haven't read how they funded the Neymar transfer people should be in court for it. Neymar isn't an employee of PSG. The Qatari govt hired him as an ambassador for the 2022 WC, paying him 300 million Euros as a signing on fee. With that he bought himself out of his Barca contract by activating his 222m Euro release clasue, the rest went to him and his agent (his dad). They pay him a salary for this role of around 750k per week. This is done so his wages and transfer fee don't appear on PSG's balance, meaning they don't breach FFP rules, and they effectively get him for nothing. Until that deal release clauses were set ridiculously high to dissuade suitors, and a rule of thumb was a player would cost about half his release fee, or slightly less. Once PSG paid Neymar's release clause in full that changes the market for all clubs, now all clubs want the release clause paid in full. Meaning players become exponentially more expensive for all clubs, but with no extra money generated to fund this and only PSG benefiting from state aid to pay for their largesse. Last month they knocked back bids for Cavani. Atletico wanted him, were willing to pay 16m Euros for a guy turning 33 who was out of contract in 4 months. PSG knocked it back saying they want 25. That's how ridiculous it is, PSG play in the French league where TV money isn't that big, they haven't been to a CL final ever and they don't sell out their ground. Yet they're in a position to knock back 16 million for a back-up striker who is out of contract in four months. Its a ridiculous situation and damaging to the game as a whole.Very interesting. Totally f’d up situation 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eez-eh Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Man City are every bit as morally bankrupt as PSG - being bankrolled by another dictatorship with a horrendous human rights record. They’re also clearing circumventing the rules with their Etihad “sponsorship”. The bigger more established clubs might see FFP as way of keeping the status quo but clubs like City getting hammered because of it should be seen as a good thing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musketeer Gripweed Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 https://www.marca.com/en/football/international-football/album/2020/02/14/5e471b04ca4741690f8b45fe.html Look at some of the utter shite they have bought over the years as well. They can't even cheat that well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eindhovendee Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 (edited) BBC have a report on the likely next steps in this saga, brilliantly put into Scottish for us. "And Uefa has to try to stand up for its rules against clubs - like City (part-owned by both the Abu Dhabi and Chinese governments) and Paris St-Germain (Qatar) - that have the backing of entire nation states, not just wealthy individuals. "There is an enormous amount hinging on this," adds Mehrzad. "If City are successful in getting a ruling about the processes adopted by Uefa, a whole series of other clubs will be able to use that and say: 'We should never have been sanctioned in the first place.'" https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51528427 Edited February 17, 2020 by eindhovendee add " 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eez-eh Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 https://mobile.twitter.com/SkySportsPL/status/1229314540040544263?s=20 Not sure I’d be barking up that tree as Rangers manager, Stevie. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 In the audacity stakes, their owners - UAE royal family plus Chinese state investments - spending £30M taking the case to the European Court of Human Rights over judicial impartiality is "right up there". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JTS98 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 It's all very sad, isn't it? It's meant to be a fucking sport. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JTS98 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 On 15/02/2020 at 08:05, Bully Wee Villa said: Ajax, Porto and Basel are never going to challenge unless there is a massive restructuring of how prize money works, or they spend loads of money like Man City have. The law is a nonsense it is, quite clearly, a bunch of clubs acting as a cartel to protect their interest. It should be outlawed. On a selfish level, if they are going to introduce such a rule, it shouldn't be halfway through a season. We have played Man City twice when they were desperate to win. Now our relegation rivals will get to play them in matches that Man City don't give a toss about. It damages the integrity of the league. Man City are part of the cartel. The cartel that has bullied the rest of the continent into accepting that they get automatic entry to the Champions League for finishing fourth and all the financial and seeding advantages that go with that to make a self-perpetuating cycle of dominance for clubs from a small number of leagues. If City weren't part of that cartel, their current owners would never have bought them. In the last three seasons before big country entry to the Champions League groups was guaranteed, almost 50% of the representatives of 'Big 5' leagues failed to make it. City are a result of the cartel that grew out of that and they can get fucked with their talk of wanting to change the status quo. They've had nine consecutive seasons in the Champions League, they get an avalanche of tv money every year, they employ the most high-profile coach in world football, they spend an utter fortune on their team. What more do they want? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derry Alli Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Narcos : Champions League. Coming to Netflix early 2021. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Aldo Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Dortmund v PSG tonight has the potential to be a cracker. I was reading on the BBC that Dortmund's last 5 games have contained 27 goals while PSG's last 5 have contained 29. Cue a boring 0-0 now that I've said that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMDP Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 (edited) Away from all the stuff with Man City, I'm buzzing for the Atleti-Liverpool game tonight. I don't hold out any hope really of anything other than a liverpool win, Atleti haven't been great this season, been particularly woeful at defending set pieces and are missing key players through injury - if Gimenez and Morata both play, neither will be fully fit. Some positives are the form of Correa and Simeone's CL record at home - never lost a home match in the knockout stages and liverpool have looked suspect away in Europe a couple of times. Still fancy them to win by a goal or two though. I'm off this week so can have a few beers this afternoon before heading out to it. For anyone interested, the below article with Saul is a good read. An absolute top boy who comes across really well in the "Six Dreams" series on Amazon as well. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/feb/17/saul-niguez-atletico-madrid-liverpool-champions-league Edited February 18, 2020 by JMDP -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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