MrIrvinePollock Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 8 hours ago, Andydoc said: As an aside, anyone know the official attendance today? Thought it was a great advert for football today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omnishambles Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 12 hours ago, th1stleandr0se said: Out of interest, where do you see the fine tuning? Good luck next season, by the way. I haven't watched you every week of course, but closing out games or keeping clean sheets seemed to be a factor a lot in the season just gone? Could well be down to injuries or suspensions etc. As I say, I wouldn't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 On 05/06/2022 at 16:35, FuzzyBear said: Not sure about first pen but other 2 were stonewallers. First half we were poor but 2nd was superb. Won every tackle and every 2nd ball. Doc was fantastic 2nd half. Deserved win against a team of hammer throwers. I don't know why the Linlithgow defender wasn't sent off for denying a goal scoring opportunity at Tranent's 2nd penalty. There was no attempt to play the ball to merit just a yellow card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Skipper Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 On 06/06/2022 at 18:18, Footballfirst said: I don't know why the Linlithgow defender wasn't sent off for denying a goal scoring opportunity at Tranent's 2nd penalty. There was no attempt to play the ball to merit just a yellow card. Not the rules anymore. From the start of season a team can only be penalised once for any given offence. In this case a penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzyBear Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 3 hours ago, Skipper said: Not the rules anymore. From the start of season a team can only be penalised once for any given offence. In this case a penalty. Is that not only the case if the defender makes an "attempt" to get the ball which Cammy clearly didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipper Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 6 hours ago, FuzzyBear said: Is that not only the case if the defender makes an "attempt" to get the ball which Cammy clearly didn't. Not sure of that scenario tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginaro Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, FuzzyBear said: Is that not only the case if the defender makes an "attempt" to get the ball which Cammy clearly didn't. There's only two options, either: the ref thought it was DOGSO and was therefore incorrect in law by only giving a YC, or: the ref didn't think it was DOGSO (a matter of opinion) and therefore was correct in law by only giving a YC. Despite not being in control of the ball I would say it probably was DOGSO, so it should've been a RC. Edited June 10, 2022 by Ginaro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grinderbrokeyourhearts Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 There's only two options, either: the ref thought it was DOGSO and was therefore incorrect in law by only giving a YC, or: the ref didn't think it was DOGSO (a matter of opinion) and therefore was correct in law by only giving a YC. Despite not being in control of the ball I would say it probably was DOGSO, so it should've been a RC.You’ve probably nailed it with the last bit. If you aren’t in control of the ball it’s not a DOGSO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justinjest Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 At the second penalty, I thought the defender was attempting to get to the ball, but in doing so, collided / impeded the forward. Therefore, yellow card. The first penalty was much the same, the goalkeeper was attempting to get the ball, but impeded the forward - yellow card. Both scenarios were much the same, in my opinion. At the Linlithgow penalty, the Tranent centre half impeded Gary and as far as I could see, no yellow card, was this the case? If so, did the ref think the centre half went for the ball, which is questionable, as the corner had just been taken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ann Dan Otherthing Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 On 10/06/2022 at 23:27, Ginaro said: There's only two options, either: the ref thought it was DOGSO and was therefore incorrect in law by only giving a YC, or: the ref didn't think it was DOGSO (a matter of opinion) and therefore was correct in law by only giving a YC. Despite not being in control of the ball I would say it probably was DOGSO, so it should've been a RC. The partial removal of ‘double jeopardy’ completely changed things, so you are wrong. Inside the box, a penalty is given and if it was a genuine attempt to play the ball, then it’s only a yellow, even if it was DOGSO. Only if it was not a genuine attempt to play the ball is it still a DOGSO red. So for instance push, pull etc.. Any DOGSO where a penalty doesn’t result (so foul outside the box) is still a red, regardless of whether a genuine attempt or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginaro Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Ann Dan Otherthing said: The partial removal of ‘double jeopardy’ completely changed things, so you are wrong. Inside the box, a penalty is given and if it was a genuine attempt to play the ball, then it’s only a yellow, even if it was DOGSO. Only if it was not a genuine attempt to play the ball is it still a DOGSO red. So for instance push, pull etc.. Any DOGSO where a penalty doesn’t result (so foul outside the box) is still a red, regardless of whether a genuine attempt or not. If you'd watched the video you would know it was a push and I am correct. On 11/06/2022 at 21:33, justinjest said: At the second penalty, I thought the defender was attempting to get to the ball, but in doing so, collided / impeded the forward. Therefore, yellow card. Both scenarios were much the same, in my opinion. At the Linlithgow penalty, the Tranent centre half impeded Gary and as far as I could see, no yellow card, was this the case? If so, did the ref think the centre half went for the ball, which is questionable, as the corner had just been taken. You should probably rewatch the second penalty then get your eyes checked if you still think that was an attempt to get the ball. The Linlithgow penalty was not denying an obvious goalscoring opportunity so none of the previous discussion applies, no sanction required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andydoc Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 12 hours ago, Ginaro said: If you'd watched the video you would know it was a push and I am correct. You should probably rewatch the second penalty then get your eyes checked if you still think that was an attempt to get the ball. The Linlithgow penalty was not denying an obvious goalscoring opportunity so none of the previous discussion applies, no sanction required. Well that clears that up then. Sorry for having a different view to you. Defender is watching the ball as it's crossed, his eyes are on the ball, not the forward, but that's just my opinion. A cross heading to the centre half, who has a chance of getting a header goalwards, is a potential goalscoring chance, but once again, just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginaro Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 11 hours ago, Andydoc said: Well that clears that up then. Sorry for having a different view to you. Defender is watching the ball as it's crossed, his eyes are on the ball, not the forward, but that's just my opinion. A cross heading to the centre half, who has a chance of getting a header goalwards, is a potential goalscoring chance, but once again, just my opinion. Doesn't matter where the defender is looking, it is a a push from behind so not an attempt to play the ball - the laws of the game say: the offender is cautioned if the offence was an attempt to play the ball; in all other circumstances (e.g. holding, pulling, pushing, no possibility to play the ball etc.) the offending player must be sent off. DOGSO is an denying an obvious goalscoring opportunity not just a potential one, so that cross for the Rose penalty is certainly not DOGSO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ann Dan Otherthing Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 On 13/06/2022 at 22:59, Ginaro said: If you'd watched the video you would know it was a push and I am correct. You should probably rewatch the second penalty then get your eyes checked if you still think that was an attempt to get the ball. The Linlithgow penalty was not denying an obvious goalscoring opportunity so none of the previous discussion applies, no sanction required. You’re right, I haven’t watched the vid. Your 2 options therefore needed a 3rd - the ref considered it was DOGSO, but that the challenge was genuine and so yellow carded. Albeit if it it was a push, that would probably be wrong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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