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Linlithgow Rose - 2019-20

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I don’t blame players for leaving. Court for example is a personal trainer. He clearly could do his day job for a couple more nights a week and on a Saturday and get a better deal for it.
That said I’m not sad to see any of them go. Harsh on Dickson as he hasn’t played and on paper looked good but this is strange times. We need players there for the jersey.
The hard part is it’s hard to see an end to this to even reward players loyalty with certainty. 
 
Maybe the real question should be was running a league at this level and time a viable option.

We ended previous leagues early and started the new league at a time when restrictions were unlikely to change as cases were on the rise.

It seems that from top to bottom decisions have been rushed through rather than thought through.

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17 minutes ago, Auld Heid said:

Maybe the real question should be was running a league at this level and time a viable option.

We ended previous leagues early and started the new league at a time when restrictions were unlikely to change as cases were on the rise.

It seems that from top to bottom decisions have been rushed through rather than thought through.
 

I don't mind being open about this as I of course voted on behalf of club.

In my opinion we should not have started without fans and we should not have started without players being able to firstly access dressing rooms and also to shower.

At Prestonfield we can at least access the dressing rooms but many clubs can't and players changing in an enclosure is just not right.  Never mind the fact they're going home filthy and wet.

Unfortunately a vote was held on starting season and the majority of clubs wanted to go ahead.  Maybe because they don't have the same overheads as we do so income from gates doesn't matter as much for them.

Irrespective of money though we shouldn't have started without fans, football without fans is nothing.  It's souless and sad.

I don't believe the season will finish but until then we have to get on with it and of  course the continued expenditure without matchday income.

 

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I don't mind being open about this as I of course voted on behalf of club.
In my opinion we should not have started without fans and we should not have started without players being able to firstly access dressing rooms and also to shower.
At Prestonfield we can at least access the dressing rooms but many clubs can't and players changing in an enclosure is just not right.  Never mind the fact they're going home filthy and wet.
Unfortunately a vote was held on starting season and the majority of clubs wanted to go ahead.  Maybe because they don't have the same overheads as we do so income from gates doesn't matter as much for them.
Irrespective of money though we shouldn't have started without fans, football without fans is nothing.  It's souless and sad.
I don't believe the season will finish but until then we have to get on with it and of  course the continued expenditure without matchday income.
 
Didn't the survey from clubs return a 50/50 split on whether to start without dressing rooms or not? It was upto the board to make the final decision and I understand the reasons given by them for doing so.

We have a huge spectrum of clubs in the EoS some clubs don't rely so much on gate income, some do, some wanted to give it a go, some didn't.

There's no right or wrong answer, although personally I think it was the right decision to start and give it a chance. I understand why others disagree.

The important thing now is to get every club over the line as far as dressing room access is concerned, especially with shuttling now allowed, and then some further clarity on Govt funding whilst fans aren't allowed. If there is no prospect of funding then there's a decision to be made as I can't see the central belt being in Level 1 this year, meaning no fans.

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Didn't the survey from clubs return a 50/50 split on whether to start without dressing rooms or not? It was upto the board to make the final decision and I understand the reasons given by them for doing so.

We have a huge spectrum of clubs in the EoS some clubs don't rely so much on gate income, some do, some wanted to give it a go, some didn't.

There's no right or wrong answer, although personally I think it was the right decision to start and give it a chance. I understand why others disagree.

The important thing now is to get every club over the line as far as dressing room access is concerned, especially with shuttling now allowed, and then some further clarity on Govt funding whilst fans aren't allowed. If there is no prospect of funding then there's a decision to be made as I can't see the central belt being in Level 1 this year, meaning no fans.
Maybe the WoS had the right idea and allowing teams to opt out.

Agree with Tynierose, without the basics and supporters it's pointless.

Even more so when you move into winter and associated dangers to health that not having proper facilities will bring. Players will start to question the value of playing over their health and safety.

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changing Rooms - check

showers - most of spfl can’t provide yet, will come though, sports Scotland say you can sfa not yet.

fans - at tier 1 - not there yet but tonight at Ross county a big step forward, now we need to push for that at tier 2 

funding - by all accounts being worked on

 covid not going any place any time soon, time to adapt. 

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1 hour ago, Auld Heid said:

Maybe the WoS had the right idea and allowing teams to opt out.
 

A majoirty of clubs had that option with no real punishment other than starting 2021-22 in the Second Division. Look at how Eyemouth United took a non-playing membership with no other punishment than knowing they'd start at the bottom.

For a Premier Division side that might be seen as too steep a drop to consider. It was an option though.

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On 03/11/2020 at 16:48, GordonS said:

I wouldn't judge the decisions anyone makes at a time like this based on knowing nothing about their circumstances at all. If any players can't afford to take reduced or zero pay then that's fair enough and good luck to them in future.

I'm not sad to see Scullion leave, I thought he was a liability and his determination to attempt Hollywood passes instead of rolling it to a much more capable midfielder was infuriating. But he never shirked, went hiding or gave less than he could so I hope it works out for him elsewhere.

Also not sad to see Scullion leave good luck pal

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A majoirty of clubs had that option with no real punishment other than starting 2021-22 in the Second Division. Look at how Eyemouth United took a non-playing membership with no other punishment than knowing they'd start at the bottom.
For a Premier Division side that might be seen as too steep a drop to consider. It was an option though.
I thought the WoS opt out gave clubs status quo for next season?

So the EoS option was different?

What's seems certain the decision to play is appealing to some and financial armageddon for others.

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14 hours ago, Tynierose said:

Maybe because they don't have the same overheads as we do so income from gates doesn't matter as much for them.

 

 

WW might no be as big a club as Lithgow but the small number who do turn up are vital to the club be it just watching the game,buying refreshments or having a few pints in the social club so I'd say it matters a lot to a club of ww size.

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5 minutes ago, Auld Heid said:

I thought the WoS opt out gave clubs status quo for next season?

So the EoS option was different?

What's seems certain the decision to play is appealing to some and financial armageddon for others.
 

The WoSFL put in an opt out with no punishment, which mainly means no relegation. Which has been quite controversial as it has meant no promotion for the Conference level teams.

The EoSFL never had the same sort of opt-out, but has had the tradition of non-playing membership. Just like the Juniors had abeyance. No one was forced to play. It just would mean accepting to starting at the bottom.

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10 minutes ago, newcastle broon said:

WW might no be as big a club as Lithgow but the small number who do turn up are vital to the club be it just watching the game,buying refreshments or having a few pints in the social club so I'd say it matters a lot to a club of ww size.

Hence why it shouldn't have started without fans.

7 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:

The WoSFL put in an opt out with no punishment, which mainly means no relegation. Which has been quite controversial as it has meant no promotion for the Conference level teams.

The EoSFL never had the same sort of opt-out, but has had the tradition of non-playing membership. Just like the Juniors had abeyance. No one was forced to play. It just would mean accepting to starting at the bottom.

So in essence a relegation from tier 6.

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43 minutes ago, Tynierose said:

Hence why it shouldn't have started without fans.

So in essence a relegation from tier 6.

What the wosfl have done is wreck the season for teams who wants to play. Why should we protect the elite. If my team had to take an year out I'd accept my team would go to the bottom.

Its crap fans cant get in but we just have to get on with it

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5 minutes ago, AlanCamelonfan said:

What the wosfl have done is wreck the season for teams who wants to play. Why should we protect the elite. If my team had to take an year out I'd accept my team would go to the bottom.

Its crap fans cant get in but we just have to get on with it

No we don't, football is the people's game, a game that thrives on matchday atmosphere and people being in attendance.

Without fans its sterile, false, and not the same intensity.   Having now been to several games without fans its sad and soulless.   

No fans no game as far as I'm concerned.

Its local football,  a chance for friends to mingle,  laugh, have a drink, its more than just the guys on the pitch kicking a ball. Its community.

 

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42 minutes ago, Tynierose said:

No we don't, football is the people's game, a game that thrives on matchday atmosphere and people being in attendance.

Without fans its sterile, false, and not the same intensity.   Having now been to several games without fans its sad and soulless.   

No fans no game as far as I'm concerned.

Its local football,  a chance for friends to mingle,  laugh, have a drink, its more than just the guys on the pitch kicking a ball. Its community.

 

I dont disagree with u but it is what it is. I would rather this than no football. Lifes depressing and boring as it is with the virus, brexit and us election and the media make it worse. At least with the season being started and i can get the games on ppv for camelon and gives some sort of positivity.

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No we don't, football is the people's game, a game that thrives on matchday atmosphere and people being in attendance.
Without fans its sterile, false, and not the same intensity.   Having now been to several games without fans its sad and soulless.   
No fans no game as far as I'm concerned.
Its local football,  a chance for friends to mingle,  laugh, have a drink, its more than just the guys on the pitch kicking a ball. Its community.
 
It provides an outlet for players, coaches and committee in difficult times which is a good thing on a variety of levels. I wish it also provided an outlet for fans, we all do, but at the moment it's not allowed. Some clubs can fill the gap with live streaming etc. which helps.

It might appear sterile and false for some, but for others it's still a competive game of football, and to be honest if you're invested in it you barely notice during the 90 minutes.

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It provides an outlet for players, coaches and committee in difficult times which is a good thing on a variety of levels. I wish it also provided an outlet for fans, we all do, but at the moment it's not allowed. Some clubs can fill the gap with live streaming etc. which helps.

It might appear sterile and false for some, but for others it's still a competive game of football, and to be honest if you're invested in it you barely notice during the 90 minutes.

It’s shite at all levels

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8 hours ago, Deanburn Dave said:

Well said Tynie. It is all about community.

It's not all about community. Of course we want the fans in, for their sake and the club's. But we are now part of the pyramid system which only works if all levels of it work.

Even at tiers 6 and 7 Scottish football isn't a social occasion, it's a professional sport.

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