Sheep77 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Is all the Rose players not on the same money ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fife Journeyman Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 If they have signed player and not breaking the law then I’d expect them to be. I’m sure accounts are reviewed as part of the license too. I’d like to think that was covered as part of thatI would think you would find there is a high percentage of players on non professional contracts. As you say as part of the licence process this would be flagged . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belter1 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 If they have signed player and not breaking the law then I’d expect them to be. I’m sure accounts are reviewed as part of the license too. I’d like to think that was covered as part of thatDon’t think it’s came into effect the minimum wage thing but could be wrong. We know all players are not on amateur contracts and no club has been pulled up for it so I don’t think it’s came into effect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sponsorsladdie Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Don’t think it’s came into effect the minimum wage thing but could be wrong. We know all players are not on amateur contracts and no club has been pulled up for it so I don’t think it’s came into effectWhy would footballers on a contract not fall under UK law? Minimum wage, PAYE etc is all applicable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fife Journeyman Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Don’t think it’s came into effect the minimum wage thing but could be wrong. We know all players are not on amateur contracts and no club has been pulled up for it so I don’t think it’s came into effectPlayers can sign as non contract professionals.I would say there will be around 5 clubs with a 40k budget.or more. Dont think any would be anymore than 70/80 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Heid Posted September 30, 2019 Author Share Posted September 30, 2019 The real problem is we are a club with divided loyalties/factions.50% will probably not agree with any appointment because it's not Bradley.. 50% will be delighted because the new appointment is not Bradley. -1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimme Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 You honestly think there are half the teams in this league with 80k+budget!!!.Yes, 18 players on £100 a week, plus manager and coaches, plus bonuses is an easy £80k and there are plenty players earning more than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lithgierose Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 hour ago, sponsorsladdie said: I never mentioned Barbour, he has said he can’t make it. The other 2 haven’t My bad. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz5 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Players can sign as non contract professionals.I would say there will be around 5 clubs with a 40k budget.or more. Dont think any would be anymore than 70/80Players can only sign a non contract professional if their previous contract was professional. You can't go from amateur direct to non contract. Anyone signing a professional contract must be paid minimum wage, there is a section on the form which the club must fill out that specifically has a tick box saying they will pay minimum wage. Ams and non contract NC players are entitled to 45p per mile (maximum) in expenses, no wage or bonuses. Minimum wage isn't £75 a week. There are ranges based on age from ~£28 up to around ~£58 depending on age. Unless clubs decide to take a bus to all away games in which case you need to factor in a little more for those weeks (travel time to training and home games isn't wages and only away travel time counted if travelling by bus, not if employee going direct by car for which you can choose to pay expenses up to 45p per mile if you wish, but but required). Dont have a skin in this at all, just passing on some info about some of the questions asked re registrations/ minimum wage. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Players can only sign a non contract professional if their previous contract was professional. You can't go from amateur direct to non contract. Anyone signing a professional contract must be paid minimum wage, there is a section on the form which the club must fill out that specifically has a tick box saying they will pay minimum wage. Ams and non contract NC players are entitled to 45p per mile (maximum) in expenses, no wage or bonuses. Minimum wage isn't £75 a week. There are ranges based on age from ~£28 up to around ~£58 depending on age. Unless clubs decide to take a bus to all away games in which case you need to factor in a little more for those weeks (travel time to training and home games isn't wages and only away travel time counted if travelling by bus, not if employee going direct by car for which you can choose to pay expenses up to 45p per mile if you wish, but but required). Dont have a skin in this at all, just passing on some info about some of the questions asked re registrations/ minimum wage. Not sure where you’ve got the stuff about away games from, but it sounds like shite to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz5 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Not sure where you’ve got the stuff about away games from, but it sounds like shite to me.They are an employee, so their time starts on arrival at their first designated place of work for that day.If you ask them to arrive at your park to get on a bus, you pay from the time you ask them to arrive.If you ask them to arrive at an away ground direct, but not go anywhere else first, you pay from arrival time at the away ground.It may well sound like shite, but that was the HMRC advice for the last two budgets I've looked after in the LL and now EoS. [emoji6]I can only take the tax man's word on it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sponsorsladdie Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 They are an employee, so their time starts on arrival at their first designated place of work for that day.If you ask them to arrive at your park to get on a bus, you pay from the time you ask them to arrive.If you ask them to arrive at an away ground direct, but not go anywhere else first, you pay from arrival time at the away ground.It may well sound like shite, but that was the HMRC advice for the last two budgets I've looked after in the LL and now EoS. [emoji6]I can only take the tax man's word on it.Correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 They are an employee, so their time starts on arrival at their first designated place of work for that day.If you ask them to arrive at your park to get on a bus, you pay from the time you ask them to arrive.If you ask them to arrive at an away ground direct, but not go anywhere else first, you pay from arrival time at the away ground.It may well sound like shite, but that was the HMRC advice for the last two budgets I've looked after in the LL and now EoS. [emoji6]I can only take the tax man's word on it.Hmm, looking into it a little more there seems to be a gap between working time regulations and what counts as working time for minimum wage. I think we’d all be pretty raging to be told to report to work in Orkney but only get 3/4 hours pay and be given no expenses! It’s a loophole that really should be closed, doesn’t seem right you can be asked to travel significant distances away from your normal workplace and not get any pay cos you didn’t attend your normal workplace first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baker2 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Still no word as to who is taking the team for training and game on Saturday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz5 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Hmm, looking into it a little more there seems to be a gap between working time regulations and what counts as working time for minimum wage. I think we’d all be pretty raging to be told to report to work in Orkney but only get 3/4 hours pay and be given no expenses! It’s a loophole that really should be closed, doesn’t seem right you can be asked to travel significant distances away from your normal workplace and not get any pay cos you didn’t attend your normal workplace first. I used to travel to London every 3 weeks for 2 days, meaning a 06:50 flight, 05:30 leaving the house to get me into the office for 09:00 or thereabouts.Got 13p mileage to the airport and back and nothing for the extra hours.I think it's pretty standard practice (not saying it's right). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Jones Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 16 minutes ago, gaz5 said: I used to travel to London every 3 weeks for 2 days, meaning a 06:50 flight, 05:30 leaving the house to get me into the office for 09:00 or thereabouts. Got 13p mileage to the airport and back and nothing for the extra hours. I think it's pretty standard practice (not saying it's right). Public transport rates as opposed to HMRC rates. Company I used to work at paid the same kind of rate as Gaz states. Not sure of the rules now, but I am not sure it is obligatory to pay HMRC rates for travel now a days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz5 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Public transport rates as opposed to HMRC rates. Company I used to work at paid the same kind of rate as Gaz states. Not sure of the rules now, but I am not sure it is obligatory to pay HMRC rates for travel now a days. The HMRC rate isn't obligatory, it's just the rate you are allowed to pay as a maximum per mile before it becomes taxable. Your company can choose to pay you what they want. But better believe if they choose 60p per mile the revenue will be after you for tax on the extra 15p per mile. [emoji846] 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason King Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 (edited) Our department of ScotGov gives you travel time to and from external locations - so if I'm going to Perth this afternoon then I get the travel time to and from Perth (from the office) as part of my working day. I don't get time for going to or coming home from my work when its at my base location. Anyway - Wee Rose under pressure now to get this appointment right, teams like Kelty and Bonnyrigg have already passed them on and off the park and a mistake here could see the likes of Bo'ness, Broxburn and Cookie heading off into the distance as well. Edited October 1, 2019 by Jason King Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 15 hours ago, Fife Journeyman said: 15 hours ago, GordonS said: How much do you think Scullion and Allum will be getting, and why? How much do Camelon players get? Out of interest what do you think would be the player budget for a top half EOS side? I have literally no idea whatsoever, that's why I was asking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 15 hours ago, AlanCamelonfan said: Because we went for allum and he said you were paying more. Scullion isn't going to be at the rose for £100 a week Ta. But what do Camelon pay? I'm genuinely interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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