qpsnapper Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 Under 18's beat Lossiemouth 16-0 at Lesser this afternoon in the second round of the SFA Youth Cup. Took 20 minutes to score the first, but were eight up by half time, with another eight added in the second half. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williebraveheart Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 5 minutes ago, qpsnapper said: Under 18's beat Lossiemouth 16-0 at Lesser this afternoon in the second round of the SFA Youth Cup. Took 20 minutes to score the first, but were eight up by half time, with another eight added in the second half. Cliffhanger! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow1999 Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 1 hour ago, an86 said: No. Better just to have a hammer taken to the squad, lose our promising players for nothing and cross our fingers that we don't run out of luck recruitment wise. No. Better to risk financial security by adding to major financial burdens by paying salaries, that will lead to less money to invest in youth and have less opportunities for players moving into first team due to having professionals players. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arachnophile Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 6 minutes ago, Glasgow1999 said: No. Better to risk financial security by adding to major financial burdens by paying salaries, that will lead to less money to invest in youth and have less opportunities for players moving into first team due to having professionals players. There is no financial security in remaining amateur. There is no status quo. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
an86 Posted November 10, 2019 Author Share Posted November 10, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Glasgow1999 said: No. Better to risk financial security by adding to major financial burdens by paying salaries, that will lead to less money to invest in youth and have less opportunities for players moving into first team due to having professionals players. The greatest risk to our financial security is relegation to the Lowland League. The greatest defence against that is to increase the pool of players we can attract to the club. The second point has been done to death. It will not be viable to continue to fund the youth system if we're getting nothing in return for it. It also wouldn't survive relegation. As for the point on youth players, if they were enough to get into the team, they'd get there. The important thing is having the most competitive team on the pitch. We're a senior football club, not a youth team. Edited November 10, 2019 by an86 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow1999 Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 24 minutes ago, an86 said: The greatest risk to our financial security is relegation to the Lowland League. The greatest defence against that is to increase the pool of players we can attract to the club. The second point has been done to death. It will not be viable to continue to fund the youth system if we're getting nothing in return for it. It also wouldn't survive relegation. As for the point on youth players, if they were enough to get into the team, they'd get there. The important thing is having the most competitive team on the pitch. We're a senior football club, not a youth team. It has been noted on numerous occasions that the Club is currently cash rich. So, why the status quo would lead to no investment in youth is ridiculous. The real threat would be the wage bill reducing funds available for youth. The current league system is going to change in the near future, which will result in most top health lowland league clubs moving up a division. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
an86 Posted November 10, 2019 Author Share Posted November 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Glasgow1999 said: It has been noted on numerous occasions that the Club is currently cash rich. So, why the status quo would lead to no investment in youth is ridiculous. The real threat would be the wage bill reducing funds available for youth. The current league system is going to change in the near future, which will result in most top health lowland league clubs moving up a division. The club has a responsibility to use money wisely. It needs to see something tangible from the spend. If we produce a quality player, the likelihood is that we'll lose them for nothing before they've made an impact. The only way we're guaranteed anything is if they leave Scotland, which the majority don't. Why would we continue to pour money into something we were getting minimal return from? When was the league reconstruction announced? That must have passed me by. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring Your Own Socks Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 15 minutes ago, Glasgow1999 said: It has been noted on numerous occasions that the Club is currently cash rich. So, why the status quo would lead to no investment in youth is ridiculous. The real threat would be the wage bill reducing funds available for youth. The current league system is going to change in the near future, which will result in most top health lowland league clubs moving up a division. While you're on, if you could possibly take a few minutes from writing about your only subject, what was your opinion on the team and general performance yesterday and last week at Stenny? I'm always keen to find out what new supporters actually think about the football side of things. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring Your Own Socks Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 1 hour ago, qpsnapper said: Under 18's beat Lossiemouth 16-0 at Lesser this afternoon in the second round of the SFA Youth Cup. Took 20 minutes to score the first, but were eight up by half time, with another eight added in the second half. That's the 20-21 squad sorted then... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hampden Diehard Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 No. Better to risk financial security by adding to major financial burdens by paying salaries, that will lead to less money to invest in youth and have less opportunities for players moving into first team due to having professionals players.Or..... we can hold onto the developing youth players like Main, McGrory, Thomson, McGhie etc by offering them a wage and a better chance of first team football than going to Hibs etc and playing under 21 football. In an ideal world, we would field a full team that's come through the ranks, perhaps with a couple of lads with experience to help them along. When they move on, we receive a decent sum.The four youngsters who left us for pro teams in the summer would have netted (say) Brechin £90k; that's almost enough to run the youth set up for a year. We received enough to pay for the post-match purvey yesterday. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The man with no name Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 58 minutes ago, Glasgow1999 said: No. Better to risk financial security by adding to major financial burdens by paying salaries, that will lead to less money to invest in youth and have less opportunities for players moving into first team due to having professionals players. Nonsense! Money for playing budget will be agreed and paid in advance. No financial burden or risk to the Club. The Club will invest in and expand our youth system. That is the whole point of our move to professionalism, to protect our Youth system. If we remain amateur we won't have one as we can't afford to pump tens of thousands of pounds into it with no return! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The man with no name Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 23 minutes ago, Glasgow1999 said: It has been noted on numerous occasions that the Club is currently cash rich. So, why the status quo would lead to no investment in youth is ridiculous. The real threat would be the wage bill reducing funds available for youth. The current league system is going to change in the near future, which will result in most top health lowland league clubs moving up a division. Do you understand the meaning of the word underwrite? Ok Walter Mitty, let's assume that happens, is that not more clubs sharing the pot so every club gets less. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NathanQP Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 Please don’t feed the troll, he just doesn’t get it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QPSpider1867 Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 No. Better to risk financial security by adding to major financial burdens by paying salaries, that will lead to less money to invest in youth and have less opportunities for players moving into first team due to having professionals players.Horrifically incorrect. Please do some more research in respect to player salaries. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williebraveheart Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 2 hours ago, Glasgow1999 said: No. Better to risk financial security by adding to major financial burdens by paying salaries, that will lead to less money to invest in youth and have less opportunities for players moving into first team due to having professionals players. You need to keep up. We have passed that page. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Reilly Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 No. Better to risk financial security by adding to major financial burdens by paying salaries, that will lead to less money to invest in youth and have less opportunities for players moving into first team due to having professionals players.If on Thursday the vote doesn't reach the required 75% to carry the change to a professional model, then when the inevitable fading into oblivion comes, we will be able to look back and say that our fate was sealed by a small minority who for whatever reason, didn't engage in the process, didn't understand or didn't listen to the information that the club has been putting out over the last few months.Here's hoping common sense prevails and our club doesn't suffer a slow painful death due to the ignorance of what could only be a very small number of people. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The man with no name Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, Ben Reilly said: If on Thursday the vote doesn't reach the required 75% to carry the change to a professional model, then when the inevitable fading into oblivion comes, we will be able to look back and say that our fate was sealed by a small minority who for whatever reason, didn't engage in the process, didn't understand or didn't listen to the information that the club has been putting out over the last few months. Here's hoping common sense prevails and our club doesn't suffer a slow painful death due to the ignorance of what could only be a very small number of people. My concern is that there's 26% of people out there that just don't get the real threat facing our Club and that we have the solution there waiting In the wings. Truly scary! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QP_Hunter Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 If there’s 26% (or more) of members out there who don’t think the information coming out of the club is compelling enough to turn professional, they need to tell the rest of us where they want to take the club otherwise we’ll be stuck in limbo for the foreseeable future. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring Your Own Socks Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 From meetings I've attended, formal and informal, there's about 50-60% of membership who have been involved. Indicative votes suggest the Go Pro party have a very high percentage of those. However, that still leaves a good chunk of floating voters and I fear many of those will not be close to the club, feel the mood or indeed have a decent grasp of how Scottish football is evolving. I sincerely hope these people have the good grace to abstain and allow those running the club to have the best options for our future.On a positive note, if 75% or more is achieved that's a very strong mandate for the Committee to firm up their plans and execute with haste. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hampden Diehard Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 If there’s 26% (or more) of members out there who don’t think the information coming out of the club is compelling enough to turn professional, they need to tell the rest of us where they want to take the club otherwise we’ll be stuck in limbo for the foreseeable future.I think limbo would be preferable to where we would end up. If circumstances weren't so far against our favour (out of Hampden with all that entails, threats to our League status and our kids being signed up without compensation) you'd probably have 75% against, but the circumstances have changed immeasurably from even 5 years ago. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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