The Brechin City Thread

[theoriginalhedge]

11 hours ago, onecowden said:

If contracts were drawn up with appraisals and improvement plans that would make it an extremely slow process. Barry Smith would still be Brechin City manager on an improvement plan. I'm sure that's not what the majority of Brechin fans would like.

Hmm. I suppose you are right. Just have to stick with the haphazard, fingers crossed , trust me I know what i'm doing system then. 

[Cowden Cowboy]

Hmm. I suppose you are right. Just have to stick with the haphazard, fingers crossed , trust me I know what i'm doing system then. 

If it was that easy to come up with something that enhances a club's position in these contracts, don't you think clubs would have implemented it long before now? In practical terms contracts in football have evolved to reflect the football market place and in a negotiation few people are going to sign a contract which doesn't have some balance as regards employment protection, remuneration, etc. Often these are short 1 year contracts with no guarantee of continued employment beyond expiry.

[brechin21]

Why would anyone who’s got an unproven track record be entitled to a contract that states compensation will be paid for failing?

Anyone  attempting to move into management usually has to start at the bottom and work his way up if successful, if you want to reward failures, the liquidators aren’t normally far away!

Edited September 3, 2019 by brechin21

[Cowden Cowboy]

1 hour ago, brechin21 said:

Why would anyone who’s got an unproven track record be entitled to a contract that states compensation will be paid for failing?

Anyone  attempting to move into management usually has to start at the bottom and work his way up if successful, if you want to reward failures, the liquidators aren’t normally far away!

That approach will get you little or no quality - nobody is paid compensation for failing they are simply paid what they are entitled to - failure though means their employment will cease and they are unlikely to get a new role which is a pretty big downside

Edited September 3, 2019 by Cowden Cowboy

[airdrieman]

So sorry to hear you have appointed Mark Wilson. My thoughts are with you at this difficult time. 

[MonTheHedge]

So sorry to hear you have appointed Mark Wilson. My thoughts are with you at this difficult time. 

I’ve seen plenty of this but any reasoning to why? I understand he finished 3rd the season he was at Airdrie? Did he just inherit a winning team/is he a fud? What is it?

[airdrieman]

On 05/09/2019 at 14:36, MonTheHedge said:

I’ve seen plenty of this but any reasoning to why? I understand he finished 3rd the season he was at Airdrie? Did he just inherit a winning team/is he a fud? What is it?

I've posted my thoughts elsewhere but - 

While Airdrie did finish 3rd the season he was in charge, the heavy caveat is that if Andy Ryan and Iain Russell hadn't scored nearly 50 goals between them we'd have been mid-table/bottom half of the league at best. His team, which were full-time, conceded 66 goals (the worst goals against record in the league that season), got cuffed 5-0 by Stenny, put in a dismal performance at Livingston at Christmas when we were still relatively in with a chance of top spot (if Kevin Schmidt was still running around the Toni Macaroni arena today he still wouldn't have scored) and a series of other pathetic performances including against the Rovers, eventually relegated Queen's Park and the infamous midweek night at Brechin. The luminaries he signed were Kyle Hutton, Jack McKay, Simon Mensing and Jordan McGregor. I'm not sure you could consider any of them even a qualified success. We might have made the play-offs but I don't think anyone was confident of success and so it turned out. 

For me the worst thing about Wilson was that - as you've said - he was a fud and he always had an air of superiority about himself. Like he was bigger and better than Airdrieonians Football Club. That was reflected in comments like "Airdrie fans are difficult to please" after every defeat and his maw/granny/auntie commenting on the Airdrie facebook page with "you're Airdrie what did you expect!!" after we got cuffed by Livingston and after pretty much every defeat when she would always staunchly defend him. His "they didn't like me because I played for Celtic" comment after he left was pathetic. We didn't not like you because you played for Celtic, we didn't like you because you were pish at your job. 

As others have mentioned too, there's the doubt over whether it was really him or Dalziel that was in charge also. 

He seemed like he was done with management once he left us so I am shocked he's taken a job at another SPFL club. Even more shocked that another club would actually offer him a job though.

Of course that doesn't mean he won't be a success at Brechin. Guys like Ryan McCord and Luke Watt are infinitely better than the arse end of League 2. I would be worried though...

[Brechin City FC]

22 hours ago, airdrieman said:

I've posted my thoughts elsewhere but - 

While Airdrie did finish 3rd the season he was in charge, the heavy caveat is that if Andy Ryan and Iain Russell hadn't scored nearly 50 goals between them we'd have been mid-table/bottom half of the league at best. His team, which were full-time, conceded 66 goals (the worst goals against record in the league that season)

Not sure how you can count this against him - was he not managing those two players in particular?  You can't blame him for the team conceding 66 goals and not credit him for the goals the team scored?

22 hours ago, airdrieman said:

We might have made the play-offs but I don't think anyone was confident of success and so it turned out.

You lost to an Alloa side that we somehow fluked our way past in the final.  The same Alloa side got promoted the next season and are still there, doing well for themselves in the Championship. 

22 hours ago, airdrieman said:

For me the worst thing about Wilson was that - as you've said - he was a fud and he always had an air of superiority about himself. Like he was bigger and better than Airdrieonians Football Club. That was reflected in comments like "Airdrie fans are difficult to please" after every defeat and his maw/granny/auntie commenting on the Airdrie facebook page with "you're Airdrie what did you expect!!" after we got cuffed by Livingston and after pretty much every defeat when she would always staunchly defend him. His "they didn't like me because I played for Celtic" comment after he left was pathetic. We didn't not like you because you played for Celtic, we didn't like you because you were pish at your job.

His playing career would suggest he probably is bigger and better than Airdrie.  By the sounds of thing Aidrie fans are pretty hard to please - I wouldn't consider 3rd in the league and losing in the playoffs isn't a bad season for Airdrie.

[underpar]

Mark Wilson  .........i for one will give him a chance .  Smith should have been away end of last season . Player budget gone  .  Wilson has a job on his hands using the players Smith has singed .  It baffles me when i read in papers Smith goes after 3 games . He had to go we were shite last season and he has had 3 League , 3 friendlies , 4 bet fred , and one Tunnocks cup game . He went after that .....and not 3 games .   Steve Campbell ????? Why ???? New broom should have swept clean but has not .  I rest my case . Roll on Saturday .....

[theoriginalhedge]

On 03/09/2019 at 22:28, Cowden Cowboy said:

That approach will get you little or no quality - nobody is paid compensation for failing they are simply paid what they are entitled to - failure though means their employment will cease and they are unlikely to get a new role which is a pretty big downside

As this is usually their second job /part time job come  hobby,  I don't think this is really the hardship you think it is.  Basically their pride will be hurt for a wee while but most of them have a real job to fall back on . 

[Cowden Cowboy]

1 hour ago, theoriginalhedge said:

As this is usually their second job /part time job come  hobby,  I don't think this is really the hardship you think it is.  Basically their pride will be hurt for a wee while but most of them have a real job to fall back on . 

No many ex-footballers have their football job as their number one earner or priority.  Failure can lead to them having to come out of football and get by in real world!

[theoriginalhedge]

11 hours ago, Cowden Cowboy said:

No many ex-footballers have their football job as their number one earner or priority.  Failure can lead to them having to come out of football and get by in real world!

I have not encountered many  managers (or players ) at our level who don't have a main job . Football may be their first priority or obsession  but I wouldn't think it would be their main source of income. 

[Gordon EF]

On 02/09/2019 at 22:34, theoriginalhedge said:

 Most smaller clubs never stand in the way of a successful manager moving on as has been the case with us in our better years.  When things go wrong on the other hand , a lot of managers hang on till the bitter end , unwilling to accept there are problems . 

Most clubs might not stand in the way but they will expect compensation if it's due. When Gary Naysmith moved from us to QoS, I'm sure the club were happy to let him speak to QoS and came to a reasonable agreement but they still paid us. That's the security the club gets, managers and players get exactly the same security built in to contracts.

And smaller clubs don't torpedo players and manager's opportunities to move on to higher levels out of the kindness of their heart, setting yoruself up as a good place for players to move onto a higher level / FT club / whatever helps in bringing better players in.

[Waspie]

On 07/09/2019 at 17:42, Brechin City FC said:

 

You lost to an Alloa side that we somehow fluked our way past in the final.  The same Alloa side got promoted the next season and are still there, doing well for themselves in the Championship. 

 

We turned in two of our worst performances of that season in the away legs of the play-offs. We were particularly abysmal at Airdrie and lucky enough to still be in it for the second game. Jim Goodwin made a real mess of those play-offs, but he learned from it.

As for Wilson, there are some decent lower league players in that Brechin squad and I would have thought it shouldn't be too hard in the short term to at least make them competitive in League 2. 

[Blue-Toon]

Just been reading that a bounce game on Saturday finished Brechin City 1 Peterhead 1. Good luck to your new manager.

[Stovieperson]

I am told by an insider that the attitude of the senior pros is extremely poor. New boss will have a tough job on his hands.

[theoriginalhedge]

5 hours ago, Stovieperson said:

I am told by an insider that the attitude of the senior pros is extremely poor. New boss will have a tough job on his hands.

It doesn't take an insider to work that one out. 

Bloody disgrace the lot of them . 

[citydiehard]

9 hours ago, Stovieperson said:

I am told by an insider that the attitude of the senior pros is extremely poor. New boss will have a tough job on his hands.

Weed them out in January, get his own players in.Lets give the new boss some time to get it right.

[Brazilianlex]

12 hours ago, Stovieperson said:

I am told by an insider that the attitude of the senior pros is extremely poor. New boss will have a tough job on his hands.

I’m led to believe that McManus made a big play to get the managers job and is unhappy he didn’t. He maybe the problem in the dressing room now. Not an easy issue to manage for Wilson to be fair to him.

[airdrieman]

On 07/09/2019 at 17:42, Brechin City FC said:

Not sure how you can count this against him - was he not managing those two players in particular?  You can't blame him for the team conceding 66 goals and not credit him for the goals the team scored?

You lost to an Alloa side that we somehow fluked our way past in the final.  The same Alloa side got promoted the next season and are still there, doing well for themselves in the Championship. 

His playing career would suggest he probably is bigger and better than Airdrie.  By the sounds of thing Aidrie fans are pretty hard to please - I wouldn't consider 3rd in the league and losing in the playoffs isn't a bad season for Airdrie.

Mark Wilson was the man responsible for setting up the team, getting them organised and most importantly making them difficult to beat. He manifestly didn't do that seeing as we conceded 66 goals and got beat by just about every team in the league. You could say he got the best out of Andy Ryan and Iain Russell but since our midfield was so piss poor at providing any meaningful service to them both, it's hard to say that he did. He inherited them both when he got the job and he's lucky he did so. 

Yes we did lose to Alloa - a side that were better than us and still are. That's why nobody was confident Wilson and his team of reprobates would win over the two legs. And so it panned out. 

Mark Wilson was a decent player but he's a mere footnote in Scottish football who was confined to bumping his gums on the radio because there was no better use of him. He is clearly not bigger and better than Airdrie, hence why he's now managing at the arse end of League 2, a level that in the long history of professional Scottish football Airdrie have never played at. 

Good luck - you'll need it.