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Erm, its Dundee United fans doing it of course its going to get brought to your thread. May I add, it's being talked about elsewhere on the forum, brought up by a fan of another club (Inverness, to be exact). Is that point scoring too, out of interest? 
I would imagine that most of our fan base is extremely uncomfortable when it comes to the Goodwillie situation. Yes he was brilliant for us culminating in scoring a goal in our cup final win however his private life is a car crash. This is something that people will go round and round in circles arguing about but im in agreement with AK and dont see the purpose of dragging up the past with no obvious resloution in sight

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Something clearly happened but unfortunately the crown as I remember should have been unable to get the conviction at criminal trial due to the beyond all reasonable doubt burden of proof needed.

However he was found guilty of wrongdoing in the civil court case and ordered to pay the victim compensation although the figure I can not remember, as the the judge was satisfied the evidence passed the on the balance of probabilities burden of proof needed.

Personally I feel Goodwillie is an undesirable character who should not have been employed by another senior Scottish club at all.

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2 minutes ago, Twinkle said:
10 minutes ago, Dele said:

 

I would imagine that most of our fan base is extremely uncomfortable when it comes to the Goodwillie situation. 

Seems a bit strange then that the first thing you'd do is shout "this is Dundee fans! this is a point scoring exercise!!" if that's the case. 

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David Goodwillie was found to have probably raped a woman.

Whether he did or not the idea that it's a topic for humour or point scoring should shame anyone who uses it as such.

Singing a song that expresses indifference as to whether he did or not is disgusting and the people singing it should take a long hard look at themselves.

It shouldn't have to take the "Would you let Goodie take your daughter out for drinks" analogy to get through to these morons but some people are conditioned not to develop empathy for other people and especially women.

It was disgusting 10 years ago and it's even more disgusting now that the issues of consent and power dynamic in cases where there has been assumed consent have been all over the news.

That said I've said and done some ridiculous things with a beer on me but I'm not convinced these people don't believe what they singing.

Does that cover it @Dele ??

 

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@invergowrie arab, absolutely. Kudos for facing up to it and saying how you feel rather than placing blame and claiming a witch hunt. 

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26 minutes ago, Skint said:

I do believe there were females present.
 

Oh that's fine then, nothing to see here.

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It seems odd to me that a paper has taken over a week to pick up on this story. Not sure why it's taken so long, but hey ho.

Although the criminal case never went as far as trial, when reading the civil case judgement, it's almost impossible to come to any conclusion other than the one that David Goodwillie is a rapist. Reading it, neither him nor David Robertson come out of it well to say the least.

Applauding him after what he has done frankly is not a good look, club dinner or not.

As much as anyone can argue he should be a club legend for scoring the first goal in a cup final, it's impossible to look at anything he has done on the pitch without reflecting on what he did off it. 

Football fans like to defend their club, and I am no different, but some things cannot be defended.

Once an anniversary dinner for the cup final winning team was arranged, the club were left with two choices: not invite Goodwillie and have a massive elephant in the room; and what they actually did. The first option would have been preferable.

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Oh that's fine then, nothing to see here.
Not making excuses. Just pointing out the causal sexism.

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I have one very small thing to add to this.

‘He does what he wants’ was a song months and months before the incident.

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7 minutes ago, PartyFears2 said:

I have one very small thing to add to this.

‘He does what he wants’ was a song months and months before the incident.

Was it not he scores when he wants?

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We’re Dundee United, we do what we want, at first. Man Utd we’re doing it before..

I’m sure ‘scores’ was doing the rounds too. Any road, it was ages before all this. But that upsets the narrative

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7 minutes ago, PartyFears2 said:

I have one very small thing to add to this.

‘He does what he wants’ was a song months and months before the incident.

Was it? Genuine question as I do not recall it before that incident. I do recall the "Goodie,Goodie etc..." Chant but not that. It did however reach its peak popularity among fans after this incident and its singing from then on was absolutely cringe worthy and embarrassing. 

Irrespective of when it started, the continuation after the event was crass and wrong.

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Goodwillie is an arshole and anyone who sings/sang “he does what he wants” is also an arsehole.

But we shouldn’t let a Funster shite wind up merchant get us tied up in knots on the subject.

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2 minutes ago, Zoomer Brown said:

The HDWHW thing was to do with the assualt charge, when he slapped some weegie nomark who had attacked Swanson on a night oot

That would make sense. Couldn't remember, then again I can remember TV shows from my childhood like it was yesterday, but can't remember last nights tea!!!

Edited by Tannadeechee

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I was disgusted when I saw the video. The last few days of whataboutery on my twitter timeline has been an exercise in biting my tongue.

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Just now, PartyFears2 said:

I believe both ourselves & Dundee have made an offer to Tony Watt.

We've got all these connections through Asghar, Forrest etc. and we're going for this has been?

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38 minutes ago, Accent-Unknown said:

We've got all these connections through Asghar, Forrest etc. and we're going for this has been?

Panic mode on lack of strikers well and truly activated if this is true.

Time to pull a Hibs and get in an emergency loan or two.

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