Robin.Hood Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 For me it would be the team and formation v Dundee after Butcher was moved into defence. 442. 2 proper strikers and two wide players that can take a man on.Is this the correct answer? So far Neilson incorrect tactics has him winning 5 games out of 6 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishtergrolsch Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 17 minutes ago, G_Man1985 said: Is this the correct answer? So far Neilson incorrect tactics has him winning 5 games out of 6 No - you're incorrect. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin.Hood Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 No - you're incorrect.He hasn't won 5 games in the league?My mistake. Please carry on talking nonsense 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Enough of this tactical analysis - anyone else think our record against Ayr is set to improve, while we will now become Partick's bitches? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 5 minutes ago, Mark Connolly said: Enough of this tactical analysis - anyone else think our record against Ayr is set to improve, while we will now become Partick's bitches? I won’t be upset If we win our next three against Ayr whilst losing our next three to Partick. Well, maybe a little upset. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stumigoo Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 (edited) My view - 1. The football under Neilson, for the most part, has been pretty poor but we are stronger than in previous years and there have been really bright moments during his early tenure and again at the start of this season. 2. The football under Neilson gives me more confidence than the football we played under McKinnon and Laszlo (although our player quality is now better). 3. We need to get up by any means necessary. 4. Winning by playing poorly does catch up with you at some point, it is okay to do it for a few games here and there but you always run the risk of slipping into poor form and struggling to change that. 5. If we play poorly every week I think we at least now have more in our squad than in previous years to still be successful (and the league as a whole doesn't have the one or two really strong teams it has had in the past). 6. If/When we do go up and we are in a position to focus more on a 'better' style then I will be pressing more for a brand of football that is a bit easier on the eye. For now, I am happy to win ugly BUT as long as we can do that regularly. I still have the fear that we can't, but that is in part down to being so used to failure in recent seasons). My gut instinct is that Neilson should be able to get us promoted but that he might not be the man to re-astablish us in the Premiership. I do like him though and I want him to succeed. Edit - Bring back 442 though, it was working and we didn't need to change. Edited September 24, 2019 by stumigoo 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishtergrolsch Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 1 hour ago, G_Man1985 said: He hasn't won 5 games in the league? My mistake. Please carry on talking nonsense I'm not talking nonsense. He used the same tactics for 4 out of 6 matches. 442. He has clearly won 5 games you muppet. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stumigoo Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Here is part two of the series that I am helping publish via my blog - link 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 It seems to be a thing on this thread that a manager who wins games is beyond criticism and that just isn't the case. He's not getting "hounded". He's getting criticised. Quite rightly by the looks of it as well. The "shut up and accept it" attitude from some doesn't help anybody, and is exactly the sort of attitude that, when shit DOES go wrong, will see a manager outstay their welcome. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarto Mutiny Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 We'd have certainly lost the Arbroath game last year, but that's probably more to do with having Lawrence Shankland than anything else. As much as United have 5 wins from 6, the Arbroath performance looked abysmal from what I saw. The manager is certainly not beyond criticism, although some have been a bit over the top. Shankland may end up single handedly dragging us out of this league. If we lose his services for any length of time this season, we are in severe trouble. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 15 minutes ago, Sarto Mutiny said: We'd have certainly lost the Arbroath game last year, but that's probably more to do with having Lawrence Shankland than anything else. As much as United have 5 wins from 6, the Arbroath performance looked abysmal from what I saw. The manager is certainly not beyond criticism, although some have been a bit over the top. Shankland may end up single handedly dragging us out of this league. If we lose his services for any length of time this season, we are in severe trouble. I agree with you about Shankland being key to the Arbroath result. If we’d got service to him earlier in the game I don’t Neilson would be under the microscope as he has been. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArabFC Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 2 hours ago, Andrew Wells said: It seems to be a thing on this thread that a manager who wins games is beyond criticism and that just isn't the case. He's not getting "hounded". He's getting criticised. Indeed. Managers can come in for criticism even when they win, and conversley managers could be backed by the supporters when they're losing - see Chelsea. I don't want Neilson sacked - I think he'll probably get us promoted - but yes, I'm greedy, I also want to enjoy watching my team. Sorry if that offends any of you. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Everyone wants to enjoy watching their team. It's a costly day out these days so why not want value for that? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogerBoli Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Neilsons league record so far P 34 W 21 D 6 L 7 pts 69 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArabianKnight Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 2 hours ago, RogerBoli said: Neilsons league record so far P 34 W 21 D 6 L 7 pts 69 So Robbie has a 71.4% win record.... So essentially whether we are playing shite or not United are winning over 2/3s of their matches played. I'll take that. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogerBoli Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 defeats 0-5 Ayr (h)1-2 Alloa (a)0-1 Ayr (a)1-2 Thistle (a)1-2 QOS (h)0-1 Morton (a)0-2 Ayr (a) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 12 minutes ago, RogerBoli said: defeats 0-5 Ayr (h) 1-2 Alloa (a) 0-1 Ayr (a) 1-2 Thistle (a) 1-2 QOS (h) 0-1 Morton (a) 0-2 Ayr (a) What about the loss on penalties to St Mirren? Pretty important one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogerBoli Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 definitely, was just going on league games. ‘points lost’ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coppola Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, RogerBoli said: Neilsons league record so far P 34 W 21 D 6 L 7 pts 69 Compared to the last 10 seasons it's basically league winning form over 2 games short of a full seasons worth. Also always worth remembering a good portion of that was played with the shite left over from previous eras. I've been as frustrated as others with some of the football we've played under Neilson but seems pretty clear that up till now he's doing whats required to win this division. Edited September 25, 2019 by coppola 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Every teams fans seem to have said the same when playing us. Well in the last 4 games anyway where we've changed our system, alot of passes without going anywhere and struggling to break us down. DC even said making you guys have to play long balls and frustrating your crowd was the tactic. Think we just seem to be doing well at that at the moment. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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