John Lambies Doos Posted June 16, 2019 Author Share Posted June 16, 2019 No, running a piss poor campaign that made people feel safe to vote Labour in key Tory marginals was what lost them their majority. Corbyn still lost the election. Badly. Honestly, declaring 2017 a triumphant victory for Corbyn is straight out the Ruth Davidson book of also-ran politics. There is only one Labour leader who inspired fear in the Tories and made them screech and reach for the centre ground of British politics. His name is Tony Blair.Here's me thinking you were thinking Gordon Brown 🤣[emoji23][emoji23] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Ad Lib said: There is only one Labour leader who inspired fear in the Tories and made them screech and reach for the centre ground of British politics. His name is Tony Blair. Harold Wilson was labour leader during the last half century (until 1976, if I recall correctly). He was a far better leader than Blair, in my opinion, and like Blair, won 3 elections; albeit with smaaller majorities or no outright majotiry at all. It just shows how much the centre has drifted rightwards - Wilson was considered part of the 'soft left' at the time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Ad Lib said: Honestly, declaring 2017 a triumphant victory for Corbyn is straight out the Ruth Davidson book of also-ran politics. Although the Scottish Tories salvaged power for May, not sure if Davidson helped at all. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bold Rover Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 7 hours ago, ICTJohnboy said: Rory Stewart coming across really well on the Andrew Marr show. Talking an awful lot of sense. Looking forward to seeing him having a good go at Boris on the forthcoming TV debate. He's the only choice of Tory leader that I could support - not that I have any say in it anyway. Stewart is an intellectual Goliath compared to the "talented" (what does that even mean in politics?) Johnson. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 I'm not sure "the most apparently intelligent and capable Tory" is really the ringing endorsement it might initially sound 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 Why do people feel the need to pick a favourite Tory? Any justice will see them all hanged for their role in perpetuating austerity and the needless deaths of hundreds of thousands of people. Because many people vaguely interested in politics are balanced and reasonable, and not prone to over-reactions and glib generalisations. We live in a pluralist society and ideas are often nuanced. My old dad is a card-carrying communist and yet we're inviting the local Tory MP to his 80th birthday party next week (they worked together to provide funding for a community project and have a shared interest in Burns). 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewDon Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 Rory Stewart is the Prime Minister for the sort of people who travelled to America to campaign for Hillary Clinton. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 35 minutes ago, pandarilla said: Because many people vaguely interested in politics are balanced and reasonable, and not prone to over-reactions and glib generalisations. We live in a pluralist society and ideas are often nuanced. My old dad is a card-carrying communist and yet we're inviting the local Tory MP to his 80th birthday party next week (they worked together to provide funding for a community project and have a shared interest in Burns). Your attempts at being reasonable really piss me off. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 Your attempts at being reasonable really piss me off. [emoji23]I'm not sure it was meant to but that definitely made me laugh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 Rory Stewart is the Prime Minister for the sort of people who travelled to America to campaign for Hillary Clinton. Probably them too, but surely any right minded and sensible pardon would choose him over the other candidates in the race?(I'm not having any of the "aye but Boris will bring independence sooner" shit. There are loads of unknown and unintended consequences but who is the best choice for prime minister?) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, pandarilla said: Probably them too, but surely any right minded and sensible pardon would choose him over the other candidates in the race? (I'm not having any of the "aye but Boris will bring independence sooner" shit. There are loads of unknown and unintended consequences but who is the best choice for prime minister?) “Right minded and sensible”. Then it’s good that this will be decided by about 120,000 Tory Party members. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 53 minutes ago, pandarilla said: Because many people vaguely interested in politics are balanced and reasonable, and not prone to over-reactions and glib generalisations. We live in a pluralist society and ideas are often nuanced. My old dad is a card-carrying communist and yet we're inviting the local Tory MP to his 80th birthday party next week (they worked together to provide funding for a community project and have a shared interest in Burns). Jimmy Reid, surely one of Scotland's greatest ever sons, was also a communist party member and lover of Burns. He died in 2010. I still miss him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 Rory Stewart destroying the other four on the candidates’ debate. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 Jimmy Reid, surely one of Scotland's greatest ever sons, was also a communist party member and lover of Burns. He died in 2010. I still miss him.We could do with a couple of Jimmy reids in the Scottish parliament, and in Westminster. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 “Right minded and sensible”. Then it’s good that this will be decided by about 120,000 Tory Party members.Notice that I didn't call the Tory electorate right minded sensible. Although I'm not sure Tories have ever lacked intelligence. Compassion and coming decency is more their shortcomings. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted June 16, 2019 Author Share Posted June 16, 2019 Bojo was right to swerve this. He would have been eaten alive by Rory Stewart, not to mention this is looking very much like a race to finish second debate. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 1 minute ago, John Lambies Doos said: Bojo was right to swerve this. He would have been eaten alive by Rory Stewart, not to mention this is looking very much like a race to finish second debate. Gove playing the "I was adopted at 4 months old card" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted June 16, 2019 Author Share Posted June 16, 2019 Gove is blowing any chance he ever had. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said: Bojo was right to swerve this. He would have been eaten alive by Rory Stewart, not to mention this is looking very much like a race to finish second debate. You’re absolutely right. We should be delighted that the guy who is most likely to be the next PM is frightened to take part in a televised debate. Spoiler You fucking arsehole. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted June 16, 2019 Author Share Posted June 16, 2019 You’re absolutely right. We should be delighted that the guy who is most likely to be the next PM is frightened to take part in a televised debate. Spoiler You fucking arsehole. Oof, that's some escalation. Stop being so angry all the time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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