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I’ve made my position on DG coming back to Clyde abundantly clear on this thread but I’ve been thinking more about the NLC statement.

Aren’t all player registrations ratified by the SFA? If so then the SFA have no objection to DG being a footballer at one of their member clubs.

Do the SFA vet players before giving their registration the green light? If the SFA have signed off on DG as a footballer surely NLC can’t block him from doing his job. What do the SFA make of this?

Is DG a PFA member?
Surely the PFA can also make a case that one of their members is being blocked from working.

I’m not sure the NLC threat actually holds any water and I’m not sure it would stand up to any form of challenge. It just seems like cheap opportunism from them more than anything.

In saying that I am extremely glad we didn’t double down on challenging it, he should never have been back here in the first place.

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Whatever your view on David Goodwillie or the fact he's played with us the last 5 years... we all know the decision to bring him back after the Raith social media furore last month was ridiculous. The understatement of the century.
The club has been led in a terrible direction by incompetent board members and a "supporters" club which only cares about their favourite player.
The only way forward for us is to have a clear remorseful stance on the whole situation and those who made these decisions held accountable with immediate comment and resignations when the correct replacements are found. The termination of Mr Goodwillies contract was inevitable after the councils stance but was relieved to see we finally made a correct decision, albeit a forced one.
The club has been dragged through the mud enough, it's time we got rid of those who put the future of the club at risk and move on from this whole nightmare. 
Better hope those relocation working groups have been busy...



Good post.

My only worry would be some of the same idiots would be on the relocation working group and we'd end up in Ukraine.
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52 minutes ago, Zen Archer (Raconteur) said:

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That’s astonishing (assuming it’s for real, though it looks genuine).  Wrong war and wrong side or is it just being “inclusive”?

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I’ve made my position on DG coming back to Clyde abundantly clear on this thread but I’ve been thinking more about the NLC statement.

Aren’t all player registrations ratified by the SFA? If so then the SFA have no objection to DG being a footballer at one of their member clubs.

Do the SFA vet players before giving their registration the green light? If the SFA have signed off on DG as a footballer surely NLC can’t block him from doing his job. What do the SFA make of this?

Is DG a PFA member?
Surely the PFA can also make a case that one of their members is being blocked from working.

I’m not sure the NLC threat actually holds any water and I’m not sure it would stand up to any form of challenge. It just seems like cheap opportunism from them more than anything.

In saying that I am extremely glad we didn’t double down on challenging it, he should never have been back here in the first place.
I said it earlier in the thread, this is a simple contractual dispute between supplier (ground) and consumer (Clyde). It's nothing to do with registrations or the SFA.

NLC aren't saying Clyde can't sign or register anyone, they're saying that one of said players is not welcome inside their premises and that it would be considered a breach of current contract if he did, resulting in termination.

Like it or not, if you have a supplier you're bound by their terms with the leverage they have over you being termination if you don't adhere.

Dont like the contract, find another supplier or buy your own supply.


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1 hour ago, WBR said:

That’s astonishing (assuming it’s for real, though it looks genuine).  Wrong war and wrong side or is it just being “inclusive”?

It is genuine; it was a mistake for which they apologised profusely.

(It was very funny.)

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The decision to sign DG in 2017 was ridiculous. The board of directors should have been forced to walk for that decision alone. They deserve everything that is coming their way and so do those who made excuses for a rapist on the basis that he could score some goals and save their club. Oh, the irony!

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43 minutes ago, Yoss said:

It is genuine; it was a mistake for which they apologised profusely.

(It was very funny.)

I was at the game that day and had bought the programme and it was so obvious that some guy had no idea that it was Wermacht troops, probably our then  chairman had sent an underling to search the internet. I may still have it somewhere in the loft. It did get the club some grief from my other footballing mates. 

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3 hours ago, Adam said:


I’m basically saying that NLC need to keep the playing field even. Do we have a tier logic behind this? Rape - life ban from Broadwood and other NLC facilities, assault - perhaps a 6 month ban? It needs to be clear, for all clubs that are in council owned stadia, so they know who they can and can’t sign.


Don't sign an unapologetic rapist.

Seems clear tbh.

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8 minutes ago, haufdaft said:

Do North Lanarkshire Council employ anyone who has been accused of rape or other violent crimes towards women or is it prohibited by council policy?

 

DGW was more than just accused though wasn’t he 

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57 minutes ago, haufdaft said:

Do North Lanarkshire Council employ anyone who has been accused of rape or other violent crimes towards women or is it prohibited by council policy?

 

 

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Him being banned from Broadwood is an unprecedented move and a unique one in the Scottish game. I am by no means an expert on this issue or to be honest really bothered by it, as my opinions on this issue have already been said. My penny’s worth on the situation is this.

NLC aren’t really stopping the guy from doing his job. Goodwillie isn’t losing any income over this, he will still be getting paid, the only thing he loses is un guaranteed bonus’ I.e  appearance fee or goal bonus ( if they exist).  They haven’t threatened Clyde by saying “ release him or…” they have simply said “ we don’t care if he plays for your club he just isn’t doing in our facility”. If they were stopping him receiving an income or dictating to Clyde who they can sign directly I’d imagine that would be a different issue.
 

The ban itself I’d imagine is also ok. NLC own the ground and the land etc and as such have a right to dictate on who can and cannot come onto their private property much like any other establishment like a bar or a super market. The SPFL/SFA/PFA I’d imagine have their hands tied as they can’t dictate  policy or sue a third company regarding their own contracts with a tenant. If for example a team that owned their own ground banned a player from entering that would be a different situation as that could obviously lead to abuse of power for unfair sporting advantage. 
 

With regards to the lease ending next summer, NLC we’re always in their rights to do that for any reason and had no obligation to renew. 
 

As I say, I don’t have any specialist knowledge, it’s just my own observations on the matter and I could of course be wrong. 

I wish Clyde weren’t in this easily avoidable   situation at all.

 

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Clutching at straws?

I was against signing Goodwillie 5 years ago and I was against it this time.

I make no excuses for the idiotic decision of the Clyde board. I always knew they'd be consequences to such a stupid action. North Lanarkshire Council have a perfect right to do what they've done.

I only seek an answer to my question.

Do North Lanarkshire council employ anyone who has been accused of rape or violence towards women? It's it policy not to employ people meeting that criteria?

For example, how many NLC employees have had domestic or sexual violence entered as a factor in their (civil) divorce?

Do the council employ anyone who has been convicted of domestic or sexual violence anytime in the past?

Perhaps the answer is no to these questions. I don't know but I'd like to know.

I repeat, I am not making excuses for the actions of Clyde or Goodwillie. I'm asking about NLC.

It's not whataboutery, it's querying hypocrisy and the council's grandstanding.

If you set yourself up as PUBLIC moral custodian you must, at least, set your own bar as high as you set it for others.
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58 minutes ago, haufdaft said:

Clutching at straws?

I was against signing Goodwillie 5 years ago and I was against it this time.

I make no excuses for the idiotic decision of the Clyde board. I always knew they'd be consequences to such a stupid action. North Lanarkshire Council have a perfect right to do what they've done.

I only seek an answer to my question.

Do North Lanarkshire council employ anyone who has been accused of rape or violence towards women? It's it policy not to employ people meeting that criteria?

For example, how many NLC employees have had domestic or sexual violence entered as a factor in their (civil) divorce?

Do the council employ anyone who has been convicted of domestic or sexual violence anytime in the past?

Perhaps the answer is no to these questions. I don't know but I'd like to know.

I repeat, I am not making excuses for the actions of Clyde or Goodwillie. I'm asking about NLC.

It's not whataboutery, it's querying hypocrisy and the council's grandstanding.

If you set yourself up as PUBLIC moral custodian you must, at least, set your own bar as high as you set it for others.

I’m guessing most people will be checked when applying for a job, like myself I get checked by SSSC to work in the care industry and any charges have to be declared but being accused isn’t one of them. He’s also not been accused but been convicted in a civil court with other 20 witnesses.

 

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11 hours ago, haufdaft said:

Do North Lanarkshire Council employ anyone who has been accused of rape or other violent crimes towards women or is it prohibited by council policy?

 

Certainly in East Dunbartonshire they have a very strict policy on what you can and can’t do, and it includes things at a lot lower lever than that. So yes in the neighbouring council they do set the bar high. I would expect no difference in North Lanarkshire. 

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2 minutes ago, gav-ffc said:

I’m guessing most people will be checked when applying for a job, like myself I get checked by SSSC to work in the care industry and any charges have to be declared but being accused isn’t one of them. He’s also not been accused but been convicted in a civil court with other 20 witnesses.

 

I think many are also choosing to ignore his profile and influence with younger supporters. Like it or not being a relatively high profile footballer is quite different to working in something like a supermarket. People will argue it should make no difference but that’s not the reality for clubs that are imbedded in their local community. 

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Why are the Council so keen to get rid of Clyde as tenants? I very much doubt it’s the signing of Goodwillie that’s provoked the ending of the lease. Is there some other underlying dispute?

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1 minute ago, Nowhereman said:

Why are the Council so keen to get rid of Clyde as tenants? I very much doubt it’s the signing of Goodwillie that’s provoked the ending of the lease. Is there some other underlying dispute?

If it's not one thing it's another. A running battle for years, with each side blaming the other about access to revenue streams and rent payments etc.

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