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17 hours ago, Interesting... said:

The announcements from NLC and the ladies team that have come out since this embarrassment of a post only make the whole thing more tragic. 

I hope the “real” supporters who didn’t want to “kick the club when they’re down” (they’re definitely down now if they weren’t before) and pushed for this and put pressure on the board to get DGW back on loan are happy with how things are turning out. Not that they weren’t completely fucking obvious given the media outage Raith brought on themselves.

Forget we could potentially be homeless again and struggle to find anyone or anywhere who want to have any sort of connection with us ever again, at least we will have him back for 9 games… fucking unbelievable.

 

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17 minutes ago, haufdaft said:

Celtic involved in civil action about sexual abuse at the club.

Celtic deny responsibility.

Celtic B play at the Excelsior stadium.

I'll await North Lanarkshire's response if the civil action goes against Celtic.

With those levels of whataboutery you seem more suited to supporting the OF

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Celtic involved in civil action about sexual abuse at the club.

Celtic deny responsibility.

Celtic B play at the Excelsior stadium.

I'll await North Lanarkshire's response if the civil action goes against Celtic.
What relevance does any of that have to the Clyde situation?

The council don't own Airdrie's stadium just because its in North Lanarkshire doesn't mean they can do anything.

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28 minutes ago, Aufc said:


That’s what I’m saying. Loads of people are saying that he has shown no remorse etc. However, how can he apologise for raping someone? It wouldn’t make any difference.

If its impossible for him to apologise then he should probably avoid hitting the papers to tell them how he's struggled to afford a new car due to the court case and how hard he's had it, then.

He's had plenty of chances to either show remorse or use his profile in rape campaigns to try and prevent others doing the same, instead he gave it a "woe is me" campaign.

Clyde are getting what they deserve and I feel sorry for their decent fans, although I guess most of them stopped supporting years ago anyway.

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Why, after seeing the response to when Raith signed Goodwillie think it was a good idea to bring him back? Absolutely crazy decision that is going to have massive consequences and Clyde deserve every single one of them.

Again, like the Raith fans I feel for the genuine Clyde fans here in what could have easily been an avoidable situation.

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1 hour ago, SLClyde said:

Anyone from the Glasgow branch available for comment?

Is the support split with traditional area 'Glasgow Branch" and a Johnny come lately "Cumbernauld Branch" ?  Is there still a Rutherglen supporter's bus ? 

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On 02/03/2022 at 10:40, SouthLanarkshireWhite said:

Second and final post on this.

Having an opinion on this does not mean I am right and you are wrong, nor vice versa.

Firstly on the point about admitting we (the club) were wrong initially. The world is not as black & white as that, sometimes it is just changing times, changing circumstances and time to reflect. History is littered with examples of individuals or groups reassessing their position over time, to not do so would be severe stubborness. There are times in life when you look around and see the scale of the difference of opinion and maybe just have to accept you got it wrong.

Secondly, with regard to Risk.

If your version of the future turns out to be the one closest to what actually happens, then the upside is we get a very good footballer for another 2 years, and then we have to build a different team. In that two years he may well be the catalyst for keeping us in League 1 and we avoid the financial meltdown of relegation.

If however, my attitude to risk turns out to be closer, and we suffer the downside of

a. loss of income from sponsors

b. loss of income from away fans staying away

c. some players not wanting to sign for us whilst he is on our books

d. some of our own fans stay away more often

e. NLC being more difficult landlords

and then we will have to build a different team in 2 years anyway, but by that time be in even more difficult circumstances.

For that reason alone, without debating anything else, the risk is not worth taking. 

 

 

So not a final post after all. It took a much shorter timescale for the shit to hit the fan than even I anticipated.

Even the most arrogant, naive and stupid people involved in this farce must be beginning to see the arrogance, naivety and stupidity of what they have done.

A 140 year-old football club is now in serious danger because some people thought using their influence to get their way in a world where they are hugely out of their depth was big and clever.

I would say take a minute to reflect on your actions, but there will be some involved who will still defend their position and refuse to see an alternative viewpoint.

 

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36 minutes ago, John MacLean said:

Under Scots Law corroboration is required for a successful prosecution. 

Reading the civil judgement it seems to me that there was abundant corroboration to the fact that she was incapable of providing consent. 

It baffles me, admittedly a layman in such matters, that it didn't come before a criminal court. 

She was failed by the Scottish legal system. 

Its probably to do with the physical evidence of the rape, plenty folk saw the nick of the victim, incapable of consent etc, but proving the sexual contact is incredibly difficult in terms of lack of dna etc. there is a forensic window and in the absence of witnesses to the actual rape if its not reported within the window you rely on other things like an admission or some other record that the rape happened. 

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1 hour ago, the_bully_wee said:

I've no idea about the structure of NLC but as I understood it, NLL was essentially a subsidiary of the council which specifically operated Broadwood - in that sense, you'd imagine the council could've pulled a move like this if they ever wanted to. I could be wrong in saying that, but if I'm correct then they could've done better than trying to cover their own backs with that statement.

Did a bit of digging to make sure I wasn't havering utter shite here, but what I remembered does appear to have been the case - 

 

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Not to try to deflect any attention away from Clyde or Goodwillie here, but it was entirely needless for NLC to try and exonerate themselves from any kind of responsibility for Clyde's continuing presence at Broadwood. Their statement would've been sufficient without that wild attempt to rewrite history.

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33 minutes ago, Shadwell Dog said:

Just can't fathom what the conversation must've been like when this loan agreement was set up.  Raith probably can't believe their luck that there was a board even thicker than them that would not only take the player but save them some money and take the centre of attention from them completely . 

What makes it worse is the board came to the right decision and rejected Raith's offer only to come back and think "nah, we'll have some of that" because of an ultimatum by the sponsor. The board should out who the sponsor(s) is/are, name and shame the idiots who might be responsible for putting our club to the wall.

 

19 minutes ago, stuthejag said:

Is the support split with traditional area 'Glasgow Branch" and a Johnny come lately "Cumbernauld Branch" ?  Is there still a Rutherglen supporter's bus ? 

The Rutherglen bus is from the Castlemilk Branch, I've been going on the bus for years but the numbers are dwindling season on season. I think the pandemic has really reduced the numbers and it being an aging support who either pass away or stop attending.

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46 minutes ago, Ginaro said:

Do NLC also own/operate that stadium?

And are the sexual abusers in question training with or playing for the Celtic B team?

Lot of competition, but the original question might be the most idiotic bit of whataboutery on this entire thread...

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5 minutes ago, Yoss said:

Anyway, I'm assuming this loan will have termination clauses and thus the problem is going to end up back where it belongs in Raith's lap?

Ah, @Broken Algorithms has already put up an answer to this on the other thread. Could get messy, then.

6 minutes ago, Broken Algorithms said:

Courier suggesting that the loan will only end if it's agreed to by all three parties. So feasibly, Rovers could say "not our problem" and he'll remain with Clyde. 

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2 hours ago, Zanetti said:

 

The women's team are allowed to change their mind, surely? And the council clarified why things are different for them now in the statement (which nobody seems to be reading before shouting "but why now!?!?!?):

"For clarity, the stadium was previously under the control of North Lanarkshire Leisure Ltd which, while previously paid by the council for management of a range of services and facilities, is a separate legal entity. The council was unable to direct the company in relation to this matter. The stadium, and all the services of the company, have reverted to direct council control"

Makes sense to me.

Did it only come back under council control in the last 5/6 weeks?

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