Clyde FC; Season 2022-23

[Ocelot1877]

Just now, Bullyweeno1 said:

All about opinions, can’t think of many forwards we have had as ineffective as him

In the last decade we have had 2 good forwards that come to mind- Goodie and Peso. 
 

Some decent ones considering the level we were at - Gormley, Watt done a job, McCluskey?

and just tons and tons of absoloute no mark jobbers

We have been truly truly served up utter utter utter garbage the last 10-12 years 

[Ocelot1877]

15 minutes ago, Clyde01 said:

I’m going to stop you right there, he is fucking awful. He looks like he has never played a game of football before. Just because we have signed a load of other dross doesn’t take anything away from this.

 

The post I was replying to WAS about dross we had signed but, with the poster implying Jones was maybe the worst player we had EVER signed so it’s relevant. Especially considering as I said the big man isn’t even the worst player we have signed THIS season. Strikers and Keepers get judged very differently to other positions because of the job they do. 
 

He was signed as a target man. Plan B is to shell balls into the box for him to win. A job he isn’t good at. As has been said multiple times our recruitment is abhorrent. 

Edited October 24, 2021 by Ocelot1877

[Bullyweeno1]

1 hour ago, FREDDYFRY said:

I’d argue that Ally Love comes into the category of not good enough also. Yes good work rate and effort but he not certainly now good enough quality  for L1 I’m afraid. Not singling him out far from it but being realistic. 
we have 3 and 3 players only who are. 
 

The sad thing is that 95% of us said that after the raft of signings were announced in August. How as just supporters and not “professionals” did we know and not Lennon, Moore, Diamond and Corr. It’s quite unbelievable!

It all comes back to basic question - how many of the players we have signed were first picks and how many players did we put offers in to thinking we had a realistic chance of getting who turned us down.

If all players were 1st choice for their position then that would be worrying

But if they were the 2nd, 3rd, 4th or even lower choice on the list for their position then basically means we didn’t have the budget to compete

You cant go driving in the F1 Grand Prix driving a mini thinking you have the chance to compete

Edited October 24, 2021 by Bullyweeno1

[Bullyweeno1]

4 minutes ago, Ocelot1877 said:

The post I was replying to WAS about dross we had signed but, with the poster implying Jones was maybe the worst player we had EVER signed so it’s relevant. Especially considering as I said the big man isn’t even the worst player we have signed THIS season. Strikers and Keepers get judged very differently to other positions because of the job they do. 

Ok you can argue maybe not the worst but he sure is one of the top contenders

We knew he wasn’t going to score goals - as he only scored one last year

But DL said was signed to give us a plan B

Still to see what that plan B he was signed bring to the table

I didn’t really know much about him before he signed but in his first game of the season it was clear to see that he isn’t any good.

[Ocelot1877]

Since everyone is talking about it. If I were to put my hand on my heart I’d rate our team as follows. Some of the bench warmers and young guys like Cassidy etc not judged

Good enough to start in League one and beyond- Goodwillie, Parry

Can do a job starting in league 1 if needed-Gomis ( when complemented with players and a system where he can play to his strengths), Cuddihy, Elsdon

Squad player for league 1- Ally Love, Ross Cunningham.

League 2 starter- Bradley Hurst. Adam Livingstone?
 

Mid table League 2- Balatoni, Rumsby, Munro? Splaine? Tade?

 League 2 Relegation fodder- Page, Kennedy, Mortimer

Lowland League/ West of Scotland league- Everyone else

 

[Bullyweeno1]

Unfortunately we are where we are and have the squad of players that we have

I don’t think there will be much change to that squad come January as to get players in we need to get players out and can’t see many teams lining up to signing any of ours other than the 2 or 3 exceptions

Therefore what is plan to survive the season and secure at least 9th place

We cant tighten up at the back as we look like losing at least 2 goals each game

We can’t expect goodie to score 2 goals each game which is what we need to score to realistically win a game

I don’t see us getting much if anything from the next 3 games

I don’t have the answers and unfortunately don’t DL does either

 

 

[Clyde01]

If these guys weren’t first choice signings (which I hope they weren’t) then why come out with pish like this:


We are crying out for a RB and Mortimer can’t get near the team. Lennons comments would have you thinking we signed the next Cafu.

There are other belters as well, such as how well coached and technically able Paul ‘can’t take a throw in’ Kennedy is.

Marky Munro described as ‘a very very good defender’.

Just laughable comments to justify the signing of utter dross.

[Bullyweeno1]

5 minutes ago, Ocelot1877 said:

Since everyone is talking about it. If I were to put my hand on my heart I’d rate our team as follows. Some of the bench warmers and young guys like Cassidy etc not judged

Good enough to start in League one and beyond- Goodwillie, Parry

Can do a job starting in league 1 if needed-Gomis ( when complemented with players and a system where he can play to his strengths), Cuddihy, Elsdon

Squad player for league 1- Ally Love, Ross Cunningham.

League 2 starter- Bradley Hurst. Adam Livingstone?
 

Mid table League 2- Balatoni, Rumsby, Munro? Splaine? Tade?

 League 2 Relegation fodder- Page, Kennedy, Mortimer

Lowland League/ West of Scotland league- Everyone else

 

Yeah wouldn’t disagree with what you say

Unfortunately you only have 5 starting at L1 level so basically 75% of the squad is L2 or below which is were we will be next year

[Ocelot1877]

5 minutes ago, Bullyweeno1 said:

Ok you can argue maybe not the worst but he sure is one of the top contenders

We knew he wasn’t going to score goals - as he only scored one last year

But DL said was signed to give us a plan B

Still to see what that plan B he was signed bring to the table

I didn’t really know much about him before he signed but in his first game of the season it was clear to see that he isn’t any good.

At the end of the day if I’m being brutally honest, all this is 100% down to Danny Lennon. Having a go at the players etc is understandable but let’s be honest it’s really really really harsh and unfair, Danny has signed these guys and they aren’t good enough, and for them to be put in a position where the are getting abused every week because they are way way out their depths is pretty grim. Danny has put them in this position and to me that is unforgivable and he has a lot to answer to. 
 

The only reason I’d say Jones isn’t as bad as the others over the years is because when he came in we expected this, at least he tries and seems to want to succeed, guys like Sean Higgins etc didn’t even do that. 
 

I genuinely feel really really bad for the team this year because they have been set up to fail from the go. Other years there have been guys that had done well or had bags of experience under their belt and didn’t show up and they get shouts etc and it ok in a way. The team this year, I just feel so much empathy for them

[Bullyweeno1]

1 minute ago, Clyde01 said:

If these guys weren’t first choice signings (which I hope they weren’t) then why come out with pish like this:


We are crying out for a RB and Mortimer can’t get near the team. Lennons comments would have you thinking we signed the next Cafu.

 

Unfortunately making silly comments like this by DL is always going to come back and bite him as they can be shown in hindsight to be completely ridiculous 

Bottom line is Mortimer had made 80 appearances in 7/8 years with a team in L2 so about 10 appearances per year

Isnt going to suddenly come into a L1 side and be operating like a Cafu on the right hand side

[Jack Burton]

Danny's a great guy and his first season and half in charge was fantastic but that was 3/4 years ago.

We came up from league 2 with a young, exciting team who played good, pressing football and have regressed massively since then.

I wouldn't have been bothered if Danny had left at the end of last season as the football we played was awful. However, I thought he deserved another season as he kept us up in what was a very bizzare season.

I think Gomis was one of the first signings and was really pleased with that but the day we signed Jones, Mortimer etc. was the day that alarms bells started ringing. We then followed that up with more dross.

We have a recruitment team and increased the budget this season so we should be able to sign a better calibre of player than cast offs from Brechin and Annan. He's also retained players that are nowhere near this level and resigned Munro after he couldn't get a gig anywhere else. We may have a small budget but Danny has squandered much of it.

It's not just the players but the position they play that is the issue. We've signed 3 left backs in Docherty, Livingstone and Devaney. Have 2 right backs in Mortimer and Munro but have to play Cuddihy there as neither of the other 2 are good enough. Rumsby, Balatoni and Elsdon are all slow and clumsy so we have to play all 3 to cover for that. We have no legs in midfield other than Cuddihy.

The above problems are all of Danny's own making. He's also obviously realised that Docherty, Mortimer, Andrews, McGrath, Jones and Munro aren't good enough so they are either out on loan or don't feature. We could have arguably have signed a couple of league 1 standard players instead of all those combined.

Our only chance is staying in touch to January and hoping we can make big changes then.

[Clyde85]

30 minutes ago, Bullyweeno1 said:

It all comes back to basic question - how many of the players we have signed were first picks and how many players did we put offers in to thinking we had a realistic chance of getting who turned us down.

If all players were 1st choice for their position then that would be worrying

But if they were the 2nd, 3rd, 4th or even lower choice on the list for their position then basically means we didn’t have the budget to compete

You can go driving in the F1 Grand Prix driving a mini thinking you have the chance to compete

That’s the thing these players shouldn’t have even been under consideration to sign. Did we even see any of them play? Who in their right mind thought that Cassidy, Docherty, Mortimer, Splaine, Andrew and McGrath were good enough? Don’t even get me started on resigning Nicoll and Munro!

[Bullyweeno1]

11 minutes ago, Ocelot1877 said:

At the end of the day if I’m being brutally honest, all this is 100% down to Danny Lennon. 

Personally don’t know if would agree with this

If DL choose the squad as his first pick then he is 100% to blame as it and has always been obvious from the start of competitive games this season that it is just not good enough for L1 level

If he did try and sign 10-15 players who it was thought we could afford to sign and was turned down then unfortunately can only work with what he has

As an example, we are crying out for Ray Grant in the middle of the park.  I would have hoped we were in for him in the summer but if he chose a L2 team over us then it can only have been down to money.  Which might be the real reason we have the squad  we have

Personally I would have put 100% of the budget to sign the best 14 players we could then bulked the rest of the squad out with loanees and crossed my fingers

Instead by spreading the budget across 20 players there is about 15 or so who are L2 level and below 

[DGW9]

Mortimer wasn't even playing RB for the colts he was a striker.

[Clyde01]

Mortimer wasn't even playing RB for the colts he was a striker.

That can’t be right though because we ‘did our due diligence on him’.

[Bully Wee Clyde FC]

I don't buy this "we didn't have the budget".  If it was always about money, Parry would still be drawing his wage at Alloa. Twice in living memory we have recruited well in unorthodox ways. The juniors under Ronnie Mac and the free agents under Roberts.

To me, we looked desperate to make signings; any signings. We were like the husband running into TK Max on 24th December with a wod of tenners. 

I think we could have got away with 1 or 2 unexpected signings among sound auld heids and hidden gems, but we tanked and relied on a squad made up of mystery men.  We captured a guy released by Edinburgh City, a fat lad not playing for Annan,  a man who saw his Brechin drop out the league, a goalless striker, players languishing in the Lowland League  

If only we had gone for a bit more quality and less quantity.  

[Jack Burton]

Personally don’t know if would agree with this
If DL choose the squad as his first pick then he is 100% to blame as it and has always been obvious from the start of competitive games this season that it is just not good enough for L1 level
If he did try and sign 10-15 players who it was thought we could afford to sign and was turned down then unfortunately can only work with what he has
As an example, we are crying out for Ray Grant in the middle of the park.  I would have hoped we were in for him in the summer but if he chose a L2 team over us then it can only have been down to money.  Which might be the real reason we have the squad  we have
Personally I would have put 100% of the budget to sign the best 14 players we could then bulked the rest of the squad out with loanees and crossed my fingers
Instead by spreading the budget across 20 players there is about 15 or so who are L2 level and below 

Of course Danny is to blame regardless if he was turned down by his first 10 or so targets.

Nobody forced him to sign 2 right backs and 3 left backs nor 3 slow centre halves.

He signed all these players their clearly not up to this level rather than going with a smaller squad of league 1 players.

Mortimer, Munro, Andrews, McGrath, Docherty, McCormack, Cassidy and Jones all either don't feature or are out on loan. It's a ridiculous waste of the playing budget.

[Bullyweeno1]

19 minutes ago, Jack Burton said:

Of course Danny is to blame regardless if he was turned down by his first 10 or so targets.

Nobody forced him to sign 2 right backs and 3 left backs nor 3 slow centre halves.

He signed all these players their clearly not up to this level rather than going with a smaller squad of league 1 players.

Mortimer, Munro, Andrews, McGrath, Docherty, McCormack, Cassidy and Jones all either don't feature or are out on loan. It's a ridiculous waste of the playing budget.

Don’t know if I agree.

It is natural that he would have a few options for each position (or at least that is what I would expect)

Option 1 - L1 level standard

Option 2 - L1/L2 level standard

Option 3 - L2 level standard

Option 4 - L2/lowland league standard

If option 1 and 2 turned him down it probably explains why we have the squad we do

Agree we should have went for quality over quantity and used the budget on no more than 14 players then took on say 4 loanees and went with squad of 18

For the 8 you mentioned I would have invested their wages into 1 or 2 quality players

I wouldn’t be surprised if DGW  and Mitchell (now Parry) take up a sizeable % maybe up to a quarter or a 1/3rd of the total budget

 

 

[Jack Burton]

Don’t know if I agree.
It is natural that he would have a few options for each position (or at least that is what I would expect)
Option 1 - L1 level standard
Option 2 - L1/L2 level standard
Option 3 - L2 level standard
Option 4 - L2/lowland league standard
If option 1 and 2 turned him down it probably explains why we have the squad we do
Agree we should have went for quality over quantity and used the budget on no more than 14 players then took on say 4 loanees and went with squad of 18
For the 8 you mentioned I would have invested their wages into 1 or 2 quality players
I wouldn’t be surprised if DGW  and Mitchell (now Parry) take up a sizeable % maybe up to a quarter or a 1/3rd of the total budget
 
 

Danny could have signed a couple from option 1 rather than 8 from option 3 or 4. It was entirely his choice.

[Bully Wee Clyde FC]

31 minutes ago, Bullyweeno1 said:

Don’t know if I agree.

It is natural that he would have a few options for each position (or at least that is what I would expect)

Option 1 - L1 level standard

Option 2 - L1/L2 level standard

Option 3 - L2 level standard

Option 4 - L2/lowland league standard

If option 1 and 2 turned him down it probably explains why we have the squad we do

Agree we should have went for quality over quantity and used the budget on no more than 14 players then took on say 4 loanees and went with squad of 18

For the 8 you mentioned I would have invested their wages into 1 or 2 quality players

I wouldn’t be surprised if DGW  and Mitchell (now Parry) take up a sizeable % maybe up to a quarter or a 1/3rd of the total budget

 

If you're right, surely we simply should not pursue anyone below your option 2?

I also think we have overlooked our shit retention and resigning strategy.  If anyone saw our final away match v Forfar last season they'd be amazed to see Nicoll, Rumsby and Munro in a Clyde strip this season.