Clyde FC; Season 2022-23

[Right turn Clyde]

1 hour ago, RutherGlen said:

We're not very good but we're clearly a hell of a lot better than our league position would suggest. If the players continue to put in the effort they have the last few games I see no reason why we won't get through the relegation playoff.

Definitely worth a point today which would have seen us draw three outta 4 with the (almost) runaway league winners. Where did it all go wrong? 

And if you’re right, we go into next season with a much heralded lower budget. We’ll be the Peterhead next season.

Also, it appears we have had a change of vice chair according to information gleaned from the new website.

Where is our Head of Football operations now?

It’s just great being part of a fans owned club and “having a say”!

Utter nonsense.

 

 

[BullyWeeStonehouse]

7 hours ago, the_bully_wee said:

Will Jim outdo his 2014 pre-playoff dead rubber XI?

How shockingly bad is that squad

[Skyline Drifter]

2 hours ago, RutherGlen said:

We're not very good but we're clearly a hell of a lot better than our league position would suggest.

A pretty wild take! 

Which 'hell of a lot' of sides who finished above you are you better than? 

[haufdaft]

7 hours ago, Skyline Drifter said:

A pretty wild take! 

Which 'hell of a lot' of sides who finished above you are you better than? 

We're in exactly the correct league position as we deserve. It's incredible there is actually a team below us in the league. I'll be astounded if we don't have one of the lowest points total of any team not automatically relegated from League One.

All the teams above us have beaten us. We've won four (4) games out of thirty five (35).

For what it's worth, I see a couple of reasons we won't get through the playoffs.

The playing squad for example. Another, the manager.

Other than those, we should be fine.

[Skyline Drifter]

21 minutes ago, haufdaft said:

We're in exactly the correct league position as we deserve. It's incredible there is actually a team below us in the league. I'll be astounded if we don't have one of the lowest points total of any team not automatically relegated from League One.

All the teams above us have beaten us. We've won four (4) games out of thirty five (35).

For what it's worth, I see a couple of reasons we won't get through the playoffs.

The playing squad for example. Another, the manager.

Other than those, we should be fine.

You are in exactly the position you should be because I dont see any teams above you that you are better than. You might now be better than your average points suggest and the playoffs could be interesting. You at least have shown fight and desire in the last month or so. There is hope. I dont know if you have the goals that Annan at least have in their squad though. 

[FREDDYFRY]

The old cliche is absolutely true and the league table does not lie. We are extremely lucky Peterhead were even worse which is incredible. 

What I would say though is that the level in L1 has dropped dramatically in the last few years. All the more frustrating for us in that Danny Lennon’s recruitment has placed us in the position find ourselves. Kelty, Alloa, QOS, Montrose and Edinburgh are not great side at all (obviously better than us of course!). 

[BonnieClyde]

12 hours ago, RutherGlen said:

We're not very good but we're clearly a hell of a lot better than our league position would suggest.

I'm find this hard to believe from what i've seen. Even including the matches we've won I think the performances are of a mid table league 2 side. I suppose it is possible we could get through a playoff but we will be relying on the opposition missing chances, like we've done with the win against Peterhead- who were rotten. We also need to remember that East Fife seem to have improved since last year at the right time. They won 8-0 the other week. Now I don't think thats going to happen in a playoff but my fear is that the playoffs are going to be a rather sore reality check as to level we are at. Even if we survive what next? I was shocked, based on the website, at the stage that the proposed Crownpoint move is actually at.

[FREDDYFRY]

41 minutes ago, BonnieClyde said:Even if we survive what next? I was shocked, based on the website, at the stage that the proposed Crownpoint move is actually at.

Shocked in what way? 

[BonnieClyde]

13 minutes ago, FREDDYFRY said:

Shocked in what way?

That a decision was made to leave Broadwood at an early stage when we may well lose to the competing bidder, which I see as being a real likelihood. There doesnt seem to be much acknowledgement at the poor decision making over the past 18 months over the move, the manager, the recruitment. Not to mention how it looks to whoever decides upon it. 

[bullyweehutch]

That's because if there is a shite way to run a club our board will do it and parade it as a success we got kicked out Broadwood. 

And into the barging they continue to hide like cowards and run the club like a secrete society 

[FREDDYFRY]

So leaving a ground that many disliked where we made Zero income compared to at least trying to re-grow the club and  actually self generate income and ultimately competitive player budget is a mistake?

[Right turn Clyde]

39 minutes ago, bullyweehutch said:

That's because if there is a shite way to run a club our board will do it and parade it as a success we got kicked out Broadwood. 

And into the barging they continue to hide like cowards and run the club like a secrete society 

Because they are permitted to. 

[haufdaft]

We can complain again and again but there's no one waiting to take over.

I've asked many times what the alternative is to the current board is.

I've never seen a reply that answers the question other than vague statements about getting investment or making better decisions.

There's no rich benefactor desperate to spaff their wealth against the wall.

Nor are there talented specialised volunteers with expertise in marketing, financial ingenuity or a huge black book of contacts having their emails ignored by the current board.

It's shit but that's the truth.

 

[Clyde01]

2 hours ago, FREDDYFRY said:

So leaving a ground that many disliked where we made Zero income compared to at least trying to re-grow the club and  actually self generate income and ultimately competitive player budget is a mistake?

So if leaving Broadwood was such a step in the right direction, why is the projected budget for next season so low then? 

[FREDDYFRY]

16 minutes ago, Clyde01 said:

So if leaving Broadwood was such a step in the right direction, why is the projected budget for next season so low then? 

Didn’t say leaving Broadwood gives us more money in itself. A home of our own does however 
Pretty simple really 

As explained in previous owners meeting the budget is a result of many factors which leaving Broadwood had no impact either way. 

[Captain Sham]

17 minutes ago, Clyde01 said:

So if leaving Broadwood was such a step in the right direction, why is the projected budget for next season so low then? 

For the simple reason as has been pointed out several times at owners meetings, we do not own our own stadium, therefore cannot generate any income.  There is also no barrier to any wealthy investor putting money into the club but sadly they are not willing to do so at present.  I seriously cannot understand why people struggle to understand these concepts.  
 

By your logic, would our budget have been much higher by staying at Broadwood?  Or in reality would it have been as low as every previous year?

the only way we progress as a club is by owning our own stadium it is really that simple.  

[Clyde01]

1 hour ago, Captain Sham said:

For the simple reason as has been pointed out several times at owners meetings, we do not own our own stadium, therefore cannot generate any income.  There is also no barrier to any wealthy investor putting money into the club but sadly they are not willing to do so at present.  I seriously cannot understand why people struggle to understand these concepts.  
 

By your logic, would our budget have been much higher by staying at Broadwood?  Or in reality would it have been as low as every previous year?

the only way we progress as a club is by owning our own stadium it is really that simple.  

So jumping ship to share with hamilton hasn’t helped in any way and we’d have been better sitting tight at broadwood until something concrete was in place.

Glad we’ve cleared that up.

In terms of budget I have no doubt our attendances would’ve been better at broadwood, some games this season at hamilton it looks like we’ve had about 2-300 despite what the ‘official’ quoted figures claim. 

Edited April 30, 2023 by Clyde01

[bullyweehutch]

11 minutes ago, Clyde01 said:

So jumping ship to share with hamilton hasn’t helped in any way and we’d have been better sitting tight at broadwood until something concrete was in place.

Glad we’ve cleared that up.

In terms of budget I have no doubt our attendances would’ve been better at broadwood, some games this season at hamilton it looks like we’ve had about 2-300 despite what the ‘official’ quoted figures claim. 

Attendances have been beyond poor this year with nothing worth watching on the park either. 

I'm loving this argument from others peddling the "we couldn't make money at Broadwood" was the whole reason we are fucked. Selling a few pints and curries won't mount a competent league 1 side. 

If Hamilton was such a marvellous revelation then how come attendances have been lower than what we would get in league 2 when we were near the bottom and the budget keeps sinking like a stone. At this rate we will be shopping in the Ayrshire Amateur league for players 

[Right turn Clyde]

11 hours ago, haufdaft said:

We can complain again and again but there's no one waiting to take over.

I've asked many times what the alternative is to the current board is.

I've never seen a reply that answers the question other than vague statements about getting investment or making better decisions.

There's no rich benefactor desperate to spaff their wealth against the wall.

Nor are there talented specialised volunteers with expertise in marketing, financial ingenuity or a huge black book of contacts having their emails ignored by the current board.

It's shit but that's the truth.

 

How do you know there's no-one waiting? The Board don't always let owners or fans know of any interest to get involved.

You may have asked the question,  but don't assume because you have received no response or satisfactory answers that it is not possible there are people interested.

How many teams above us in league 1 have a rich benefactor? We could start by not alienating people who have contributed large sums of money in the past....2 at least who regularly helped have walked away and it's rumoured that the owner of Homesbook is off now too before the end of his 5 year stint as main sponsor.  We have to be asking why these disconnects with Clyde minded people who have given serious money over the years is happening.

Interesting that you make the statement about no-one having the necessary business or financial skills- a bit of a sweeping statement if you don't mind me saying.  You don't know who supports Clyde...it may just be a choice not to "spaff" their money on the current poorly run operation, with no prospect of their investment being returned. There are people out there who are very fond of the Club and are very successful in their field, I just don't think they are of a mind to throw good money after bad anymore. 

What it needs is a complete clear out at Board level and let's see who emerges and what their ideas would be. The level of suspicion always aimed at anyone who may want to help, is damaging to the prospect of change.

What next if Crown Point fails? I am almost expecting the suggestion of a merger with Hamilton to be put out there, seeing as we may be in the same league next year and they too appear to be struggling financially, although the likelihood of us making that happen by surviving the play offs is less likely than Hamilton staying in the Championship.

 

 

 

 

[haufdaft]

1 hour ago, Harry Hood Fan Club said:

How do you know there's no-one waiting? The Board don't always let owners or fans know of any interest to get involved.

You may have asked the question,  but don't assume because you have received no response or satisfactory answers that it is not possible there are people interested.

How many teams above us in league 1 have a rich benefactor? We could start by not alienating people who have contributed large sums of money in the past....2 at least who regularly helped have walked away and it's rumoured that the owner of Homesbook is off now too before the end of his 5 year stint as main sponsor.  We have to be asking why these disconnects with Clyde minded people who have given serious money over the years is happening.

Interesting that you make the statement about no-one having the necessary business or financial skills- a bit of a sweeping statement if you don't mind me saying.  You don't know who supports Clyde...it may just be a choice not to "spaff" their money on the current poorly run operation, with no prospect of their investment being returned. There are people out there who are very fond of the Club and are very successful in their field, I just don't think they are of a mind to throw good money after bad anymore. 

What it needs is a complete clear out at Board level and let's see who emerges and what their ideas would be. The level of suspicion always aimed at anyone who may want to help, is damaging to the prospect of change.

What next if Crown Point fails? I am almost expecting the suggestion of a merger with Hamilton to be put out there, seeing as we may be in the same league next year and they too appear to be struggling financially, although the likelihood of us making that happen by surviving the play offs is less likely than Hamilton staying in the Championship.

 

 

 

 

What happens if the board is cleared out and there are no one ready to step in?

What's the reason I believe there's no one waiting to step up? The fact no one has stepped up. The fact the board have stated on numerous occasions they are open to interested parties. If I recall correctly, did they not also state they'd even be prepared to consider changes to the ownership model if it facilitated investment.

I've no idea why Homesbook are ending their sponsorship. Do you know? For all we know it may be more to due with the company's balancing it's own books than displeasure with the board/club.

I'm not an apologist for the board. They've made many mistakes and they lack many things but I don't see any alternative at the moment. Someone has to run the club. Unfortunately we have the best of a non existent bunch doing it.