Clyde FC; Season 2022-23

[The Moonster]

1 hour ago, Frank Quitely said:

I agree, but when you pick up a similar story from two other much more reliable sources, one of whom has absolutely no connection to Dumbarton you might have the start of a swirl, no ? 

Fair enough, I'm still wary of how this "rumour" has started. 

[Replays]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/local-sport/danny-lennon-clyde-self-destructed-26784992
 

Good to see Danny mentioning needing greater depth next season.

[CM.]

41 minutes ago, Scott-Replay said:

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/local-sport/danny-lennon-clyde-self-destructed-26784992
 

Good to see Danny mentioning needing greater depth next season.

It's an interesting one as some would say having too many players this year was part of the problem. We must have about 25 players the now (+1 if you include Goodwillie who I imagine we're still paying a % of wages). We should be able to cut that down to 20 and make it a better squad overall. Clubs like us having 3 or 4 players out on loan is a complete waste of time and money. If they're not good enough for league 1 just now there's a fair chance they'll never be.

Edited April 24, 2022 by CM.

[clydenil]

2 hours ago, CM. said:

It's an interesting one as some would say having too many players this year was part of the problem. We must have about 25 players the now (+1 if you include Goodwillie who I imagine we're still paying a % of wages). We should be able to cut that down to 20 and make it a better squad overall. Clubs like us having 3 or 4 players out on loan is a complete waste of time and money. If they're not good enough for league 1 just now there's a fair chance they'll never be.

I can’t remember ANY Clyde player going out on loan coming back.

[Ingo ohne Flamingo]

27 minutes ago, clydenil said:

I can’t remember ANY Clyde player going out on loan coming back.

Craig Bryson

[Diamonds Are Red]

On 22/04/2022 at 22:10, BullyWeeStonehouse said:

Why the f**k would be be interested in moving to Kirkintilloch ya fucking zoomer?!

The same reason you decided to move to a stadium and town miles away from your home - "founded and played on the banks of the River Clyde"  with a sailing ship on the club crest, and miles from the River Clyde.  

[WBR]

1 hour ago, clydenil said:

I can’t remember ANY Clyde player going out on loan coming back.

Declan Fitzpatrick

[Guest]

Just wondering why you can't move back to Shawfield? Is that genuinely not possible? 

[cmontheloknow]

On 22/04/2022 at 21:18, Hampden Diehard said:

Excellent about the floodlights. The pre-portakabin "toilets" are a bit embarrassing for a club getting 600 plus every week.

It will be all that was in the budget and I am sure will be upgraded in time. For all the crowd sizes, £7 / £4 doesn't exactly rake it in at the gate. The improvements drastically improve Newlandsfield from where it was at the turn of the year.

[cowdenbeath]

48 minutes ago, cmontheloknow said:

It will be all that was in the budget and I am sure will be upgraded in time. For all the crowd sizes, £7 / £4 doesn't exactly rake it in at the gate. The improvements drastically improve Newlandsfield from where it was at the turn of the year.

With those prices it’s the equivalent of an L2 side getting 300.

Good to see that you have got the lights in.

[cmontheloknow]

36 minutes ago, cowdenbeath said:

With those prices it’s the equivalent of an L2 side getting 300.

Good to see that you have got the lights in.

without massively derailing the thread, it also has to be considered that there was no substantial club income from  April 2020 until Jul 2021 due to the shutdown. The club have done their best at this stage and there's still things that can be done but it's all off our own back as opposed to help from council or from a ground byout etc.. on topic, will be interesting to see where Clyde settle in Glasgow.

Edited April 24, 2022 by cmontheloknow

[cowdenbeath]

10 minutes ago, cmontheloknow said:

without massively derailing the thread, it also has to be considered that there was no substantial club income from  April 2019 until Jul 2021 due to the shutdown. The club have done their best at this stage and there's still things that can be done but it's all off our own back as opposed to help from council or from a ground byout etc.. on topic, will be interesting to see where Clyde settle in Glasgow.

The romantic notion is Shawfield, never seen them there sadly.

Suppose it’s out of financial reach unless someone came along with a wad of cash,

[Sergeant Wilson]

1 hour ago, cmontheloknow said:

It will be all that was in the budget and I am sure will be upgraded in time. For all the crowd sizes, £7 / £4 doesn't exactly rake it in at the gate. The improvements drastically improve Newlandsfield from where it was at the turn of the year.

 

15 minutes ago, cmontheloknow said:

without massively derailing the thread, it also has to be considered that there was no substantial club income from  April 2019 until Jul 2021 due to the shutdown. The club have done their best at this stage and there's still things that can be done but it's all off our own back as opposed to help from council or from a ground byout etc.. on topic, will be interesting to see where Clyde settle in Glasgow.

Don't make excuses to this mob.

[BrigtonClyde]

52 minutes ago, cowdenbeath said:

 

Suppose it’s out of financial reach unless someone came along with a wad of cash,

Not really, no.  There's several possibilities involving potential partnerships which would be a similar scenario as an option that's been proposed for a while but ironically wouldn't deliver on the 'we own it' narrative or much of anything else.

They've given themselves around 3 years or so.  That should hopefully give them plenty of time to ditch a vanity project in favour of the correct one.

We'll see

[BrigtonClyde]

56 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said:

 

Don't make excuses to this mob.

When was the last time you left the house ?

[Johnny Worm]

3 hours ago, Diamonds Are Red said:

The same reason you decided to move to a stadium and town miles away from your home - "founded and played on the banks of the River Clyde"  with a sailing ship on the club crest, and miles from the River Clyde.  

So if you were founded and played on the banks of the Clyde, and have a ship on your crest you have to play in Glasgow? What’s Morton’s excuse then?

[Diamonds Are Red]

14 hours ago, Johnny Worm said:

So if you were founded and played on the banks of the Clyde, and have a ship on your crest you have to play in Glasgow? What’s Morton’s excuse then?

Surely Clyde FC is associated with Glasgow and being near the River Clyde, hence the name and the club crest - the suggestion by the poster to move to Kirkintilloch is no less illogical than the move to Cumbernauld all those years ago - doomed to eventual failure. By your argument then you would be in favour of such a move to Kirkintilloch as you are implying trying to get back to Glasgow and the club roots (in particular the Rutherglen area) is not important anymore. You would be as well changing your name and changing the club crest if that's the case. Am I missing something re Morton? Their club crest has a ship in it too, well that's understandable as their ground is across the road from the dock area. 

 

[Bully Wee Clyde FC]

56 minutes ago, Diamonds Are Red said:

Surely Clyde FC is associated with Glasgow and being near the River Clyde, hence the name and the club crest - the suggestion by the poster to move to Kirkintilloch is no less illogical than the move to Cumbernauld all those years ago - doomed to eventual failure. By your argument then you would be in favour of such a move to Kirkintilloch as you are implying trying to get back to Glasgow and the club roots (in particular the Rutherglen area) is not important anymore. You would be as well changing your name and changing the club crest if that's the case. Am I missing something re Morton? Their club crest has a ship in it too, well that's understandable as their ground is across the road from the dock area. 

 

What's in a name? 

Many clyde fans get misty eyes when thinking about Brigton, Oatlands and Ruggy but we've been away so long, 30+ years, that the tie is probably severed.  We are led by some petulant introverts who show little understanding of life.  Why would anyone, if they were a chief exec, want to be seen as the guy who signed off on a load of money for a (semi) professional team in the greater Glasgow area when most of the public are brainwashed into following the bigot brothers.

In terms of that geographical bit, Thistle don't play in Partick, Spurs don't play in Tottenham and Airdrie play miles away from Ayr! 

Strathclyde Academical, anyone?

[support the underdog]

2 hours ago, Bully Wee Clyde FC said:

What's in a name? 

Many clyde fans get misty eyes when thinking about Brigton, Oatlands and Ruggy but we've been away so long, 30+ years, that the tie is probably severed.  We are led by some petulant introverts who show little understanding of life.  Why would anyone, if they were a chief exec, want to be seen as the guy who signed off on a load of money for a (semi) professional team in the greater Glasgow area when most of the public are brainwashed into following the bigot brothers.

In terms of that geographical bit, Thistle don't play in Partick, Spurs don't play in Tottenham and Airdrie play miles away from Ayr! 

Strathclyde Academical, anyone?

I get that but Clyde needs a home, a reason, an essence. Just pitching up somewhere is sort of ground zero and as the Broadwood experience shows it is very difficult to build a brand where there is no tradition. 

I would say this is the clubs last realistic chance. Be a nomad  for ever and the club will slowly die. Why would anyone in the Hamilton area start to follow the Clyde from scratch now?

The club needs to seriously consider its roots, traditions and why someone new might suppprt them. it’s not rocket science.

Sharing at Hamilton for one or two seasons might be ok if there is a definitive plan not just to build and own your own ground but also the wider strategy to arrest structural decline.

But I can’t  see the logic of simply putting a pin on the map as there might be a junior ground there. If the club is to survive, as frankly that is an open question given the declining support and the pyramid structure, the Board need to urgently address its purpose, place and reason and probably outside capital.

if it was me I would move heaven and earth to try and buy Shawfield. It’s the clubs spiritual home and there must be residual goodwill in Rutherglen etc.

The racing is finished and without planning permission for alternative use the land has little value. It’s arguably a liability with decrepit stand. Sure the terracing is knackered and wouldn’t currently meet standards but for most games the main stand is more than big enough.

The board will doubtless say it can’t be done - too expensive. Well I’m not so sure  if the right strategy is sought and the council backs it. Grants are abaiable particularly if it is a community asset.
 

If the current owner of Shawfield sees the dogs are done and their is no planning it shouldn’t cost that much?

frankly what ever you do you need proper Board leadership. Seems to me the shareholders need to put much more pressure on the board and simply not accept mediocrity.

More positively you have an excellent manager who has worked wonders and a small bit loyal support. With that much can be achieved but you can’t be nomads for long. 

 

 

 

 

[Clinically Proven]

A flash back. First it looked like we were going to Shettleston after getting the heave at Rutherglen and EK. Then a year later it sounded like that was dead and we were onto the Clyde Gateway and two unidentified sites. Shawfield? Glasgow Green?  Somewhere else?

A five year lease was signed at Broadwood in August 2016, I presume then a further two year extension thereafter.

It's 2022 and we're back at square one by the looks of it. 

What's changed? Well the Clyde Gateway has been further built out with more office space and flats. Shettleston also changed their name with a view to moving as well. Apparently.
 

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Clyde FC aim for Shettleston Juniors ground move by start of the 2016/17 league season
Groundshare proposal was intended for next season, however Clyde director John Taylor confirmed they are working on plans for the following term

08:00, 29 MAY 2015
Clyde have confirmed they are pressing ahead with a move to Shettleston for the 2016/17 season.

An email to Clyde FC, Community Interest Club (CIC) members revealed that the club would remain at Broadwood next season, however negotiations would be ongoing with regards to a groundshare with Shettleston Juniors at Greenfield Park.

Director of Clyde John Taylor confirmed that the aim was now to move to Shettleston for the start of the 2016/17 league season.

He said: “We were looking at it for next season but now we are working on proposals and plans for the following season.

“There’s not really a lot to say about Shettleston at the moment, we are committed to Broadwood for next season.”

Greenfield Park is located on old Shettleston Road and has a capacity of around 1800.

Clyde had previously explored plans to move back to Rutherglen, which involved a groundshare with Rutherglen Glencairn at the Clyde Gateway Stadium. However the move failed to come to fruition after Glens club president, Alex McArthur said they were looking at: “other avenues to take the club forward”.

The Bully Wee had also explored the possibility of an East Kilbride move.'

Clyde moved to Shawfield in Rutherglen in 1889. They left Shawfield in 1986 and secured a groundshare with rivals Partick Thistle for five seasons until 1991.

They then groundshared with Hamilton Accies for a further three seasons, until moving to their current home in Broadwood in 1994.

 

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Club Statement: Relocation Update
Fri, 29th Jul 2016 7:53pm

The club was contacted by a journalist from The Trinity Mirror Group on Thursday seeking information on whether the club had approached Clyde Gateway about the construction of a purpose built stadium at Cuningar Loop in Rutherglen. The club has confirmed its willingness to make a statement to the journalist however, as is normal practice for the club, we issue information to our supporters as and when we can and, unless it is unavoidable, we do it in advance of making media announcements. We have been advised that the journalist will be running a story regardless of whether comment is secured from the club.

It is well understood practice that the club conducts commercially confidential business in the way that would be expected of a professionally run and accountable organisation. It is therefore disappointing that information has been passed to the media in what was described as the journalist having been "very well briefed".

As a club we have maintained our focus on securing a long term sustainable location with a business model secured in its community. We have stated this on many occasions as we believe that is the essential ingredient in allowing the club to increase its scale and infrastructure and consequently its capacity to compete on the park. We are clear on this with our supporters and we are clear on this with any stakeholders we engage with at alternative locations. The principles we promote are universally welcomed at all levels whether with political leaders, community focused organisations or potential sources of finance. Our track record on community development work, which is recognised and valued by our major financial partners, our community and others - including the Scottish Government - stand testimony to the delivery of our objectives.

Each time we consider a location it is part of a careful options review, and whilst frustrating for all of us, the processes are neither quick nor straightforward.

We do not know what will be contained within the article to be run by the media, and as such we will simply state the facts in so far as we are either able to state them in accordance with what commercial commitments allow, or as far as we are aware that information might already be, or might become known, in the public domain.

The club recently began positive negotiations with North Lanarkshire Leisure (NLL), our landlords at Broadwood. During these negotiations we advised NLL that we had for some time been looking at alternative locations for the club following many years of dissatisfaction at Broadwood, and that other than Broadwood we were actively looking at three potentially viable sites. At that point the review of Broadwood was little more than an exercise for good governance as experience had shown that nothing that the club had to offer was valued by NLL. The recent change of leadership at NLL has brought a change of approach that has returned Broadwood to being a very serious contender for our permanent home. The club’s vision has been enthusiastically welcomed and a number of actions have shown significant goodwill towards the club. The negotiations regarding the alignment of the club objectives with that of NLL are ongoing. These will remain confidential but NLL understand that if a sustainable business and community model can be established at Broadwood then there would be no need to leave an excellent stadium, which can rightly claim to be a developing and vibrant sporting community hub.

The alternative sites which have our attention should have remained entirely confidential but for the actions of the Trinity Mirror Group informant. To deal firstly with the site that has attracted the media attention, we can confirm that we have engaged in exploratory talks with Clyde Gateway, the owners of Cuningar Loop, about the building of a purpose built stadium designed for extensive community use. We have a long way to go here as the site is not without its issues and having the right partners is essential when dealing with a major site that is contaminated and requires remediation and subsequent construction. 

The club, through its discussions with Clyde Gateway, has been able to bring together an extensive portfolio of appropriate light infrastructure stadium drawings, suited to the land available. If the project plan is successful it has the potential to provide the opportunity for an independent future for the club.

There are two other sites where our involvement has not yet reached the public domain despite the very large number of parties whom the club has engaged in discussion and negotiation. These parties have all managed to maintain confidentiality and we will respect that. One site is an existing stadium that has no current senior or junior activity and we sought approval to develop this location as a community hub wrapped around a senior football team. The other is a site where a complete new build purpose built stadium and community hub would be constructed. The latter is currently the subject of a feasibility study and, like any project, will be considered on its merits in delivering the Clyde FC objectives.

One final point in terms of locations was raised by the journalist. We can confirm that we have not had any involvement with the redevelopment of the Shettleston Juniors ground for some time and that site does not feature in any of the above. 

Our only objective remains the sustainability of a club with nearly 140 years of history. It is disappointing that others with shorter-term aims risk damaging the options available to the club by their desire for publicity.

We appreciate the support we have in making the right decision, whilst running the club and its many facets beyond the single focus on location. We remain indebted to the volunteers and supporters around the club who have achieved so much in recent years as we continue to support the squad and develop our sponsorship partnerships for the long term. 

We will keep supporters as updated as we can without embarrassing our potential partners with media leaks.