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8 minutes ago, haufdaft said:

Do North Lanarkshire Council employ anyone who has been accused of rape or other violent crimes towards women or is it prohibited by council policy?

 

DGW was more than just accused though wasn’t he 

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Him being banned from Broadwood is an unprecedented move and a unique one in the Scottish game. I am by no means an expert on this issue or to be honest really bothered by it, as my opinions on this issue have already been said. My penny’s worth on the situation is this.

NLC aren’t really stopping the guy from doing his job. Goodwillie isn’t losing any income over this, he will still be getting paid, the only thing he loses is un guaranteed bonus’ I.e  appearance fee or goal bonus ( if they exist).  They haven’t threatened Clyde by saying “ release him or…” they have simply said “ we don’t care if he plays for your club he just isn’t doing in our facility”. If they were stopping him receiving an income or dictating to Clyde who they can sign directly I’d imagine that would be a different issue.
 

The ban itself I’d imagine is also ok. NLC own the ground and the land etc and as such have a right to dictate on who can and cannot come onto their private property much like any other establishment like a bar or a super market. The SPFL/SFA/PFA I’d imagine have their hands tied as they can’t dictate  policy or sue a third company regarding their own contracts with a tenant. If for example a team that owned their own ground banned a player from entering that would be a different situation as that could obviously lead to abuse of power for unfair sporting advantage. 
 

With regards to the lease ending next summer, NLC we’re always in their rights to do that for any reason and had no obligation to renew. 
 

As I say, I don’t have any specialist knowledge, it’s just my own observations on the matter and I could of course be wrong. 

I wish Clyde weren’t in this easily avoidable   situation at all.

 

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Clutching at straws?

I was against signing Goodwillie 5 years ago and I was against it this time.

I make no excuses for the idiotic decision of the Clyde board. I always knew they'd be consequences to such a stupid action. North Lanarkshire Council have a perfect right to do what they've done.

I only seek an answer to my question.

Do North Lanarkshire council employ anyone who has been accused of rape or violence towards women? It's it policy not to employ people meeting that criteria?

For example, how many NLC employees have had domestic or sexual violence entered as a factor in their (civil) divorce?

Do the council employ anyone who has been convicted of domestic or sexual violence anytime in the past?

Perhaps the answer is no to these questions. I don't know but I'd like to know.

I repeat, I am not making excuses for the actions of Clyde or Goodwillie. I'm asking about NLC.

It's not whataboutery, it's querying hypocrisy and the council's grandstanding.

If you set yourself up as PUBLIC moral custodian you must, at least, set your own bar as high as you set it for others.
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58 minutes ago, haufdaft said:

Clutching at straws?

I was against signing Goodwillie 5 years ago and I was against it this time.

I make no excuses for the idiotic decision of the Clyde board. I always knew they'd be consequences to such a stupid action. North Lanarkshire Council have a perfect right to do what they've done.

I only seek an answer to my question.

Do North Lanarkshire council employ anyone who has been accused of rape or violence towards women? It's it policy not to employ people meeting that criteria?

For example, how many NLC employees have had domestic or sexual violence entered as a factor in their (civil) divorce?

Do the council employ anyone who has been convicted of domestic or sexual violence anytime in the past?

Perhaps the answer is no to these questions. I don't know but I'd like to know.

I repeat, I am not making excuses for the actions of Clyde or Goodwillie. I'm asking about NLC.

It's not whataboutery, it's querying hypocrisy and the council's grandstanding.

If you set yourself up as PUBLIC moral custodian you must, at least, set your own bar as high as you set it for others.

I’m guessing most people will be checked when applying for a job, like myself I get checked by SSSC to work in the care industry and any charges have to be declared but being accused isn’t one of them. He’s also not been accused but been convicted in a civil court with other 20 witnesses.

 

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11 hours ago, haufdaft said:

Do North Lanarkshire Council employ anyone who has been accused of rape or other violent crimes towards women or is it prohibited by council policy?

 

Certainly in East Dunbartonshire they have a very strict policy on what you can and can’t do, and it includes things at a lot lower lever than that. So yes in the neighbouring council they do set the bar high. I would expect no difference in North Lanarkshire. 

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2 minutes ago, gav-ffc said:

I’m guessing most people will be checked when applying for a job, like myself I get checked by SSSC to work in the care industry and any charges have to be declared but being accused isn’t one of them. He’s also not been accused but been convicted in a civil court with other 20 witnesses.

 

I think many are also choosing to ignore his profile and influence with younger supporters. Like it or not being a relatively high profile footballer is quite different to working in something like a supermarket. People will argue it should make no difference but that’s not the reality for clubs that are imbedded in their local community. 

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1 minute ago, Nowhereman said:

Why are the Council so keen to get rid of Clyde as tenants? I very much doubt it’s the signing of Goodwillie that’s provoked the ending of the lease. Is there some other underlying dispute?

If it's not one thing it's another. A running battle for years, with each side blaming the other about access to revenue streams and rent payments etc.

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Why are the Council so keen to get rid of Clyde as tenants? I very much doubt it’s the signing of Goodwillie that’s provoked the ending of the lease. Is there some other underlying dispute?

They are obviously keen to have the North Lanarkshire taxpayers burdened with a 8000 seater white elephant of a stadium and only a glorified boys club to play in it.

The relationship between Clyde and the landlords had improved considerably in recent years but maybe that has changed with the ownership passing from NLL back to NLC, I’m not sure.

Like you I’m not really sure what they have to gain from chucking us out, other than some cheap publicity by using the Goodwillie fiasco as a catalyst.
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31 minutes ago, Nowhereman said:

Why are the Council so keen to get rid of Clyde as tenants? I very much doubt it’s the signing of Goodwillie that’s provoked the ending of the lease. Is there some other underlying dispute?

OF Colts lined up to groundshare and play their games there, bringing their 1000s of supporters with them every week.

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8 minutes ago, Clyde01 said:


They are obviously keen to have the North Lanarkshire taxpayers burdened with a 8000 seater white elephant of a stadium and only a glorified boys club to play in it.

The relationship between Clyde and the landlords had improved considerably in recent years but maybe that has changed with the ownership passing from NLL back to NLC, I’m not sure.

Like you I’m not really sure what they have to gain from chucking us out, other than some cheap publicity by using the Goodwillie fiasco as a catalyst.

How big are Clyde among the customers? Could they be replaced with another less annoying one?

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How big are Clyde among the customers? Could they be replaced with another less annoying one?

I think Clyde and the colts are the only tenants at present. Scottish rugby have used it in the past but don’t think they do now. I doubt there would be a long list of potential candidates to replace the income provided by Clyde renting and certainly none with the ‘stature’ of an SPFL club.
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1 minute ago, Clyde01 said:


I think Clyde and the colts are the only tenants at present. Scottish rugby have used it in the past but don’t think they do now. I doubt there would be a long list of potential candidates to replace the income provided by Clyde renting and certainly none with the ‘stature’ of an SPFL club.

I know in the past when I had some dealings with that part of the council, the whole thing was seen as a millstone. Hence they hived it off to NLL. I don't suppose they're any happier having it back.

It might be easier to flog without tenants, or they might have others lined up. Who knows, but I don't doubt there's more going on.

 

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Managed to wade my through most of the shite that's been posted up on here recently over the DGW scenario.

We all seen what unfolded at Raith after they signed him. The backlash, the media as per jumping on this. The womans team walking out etc. The council getting their say in lead by the Val McDiarmid, calling her pal Nicola to back her up. Two arseholes with an agenda towards Goodwillie.

So how the so called fans of Clyde and even the club itself thought for one minute after seeing what happened at Raith, they could then sign him on loan? Giving in to the supporters who chanted his name. Did they think the storm would pass? Whoever made that call should resign. I'm not condoning what DGW has done and I'm a strong believer in 2nd chances but he has had his chance. If he stayed with Clyde then none of this would be going on. As it stands now he'll be lucky to get a game with a 5 a side pub team. 

The NLC have over reacted imo, no willing to renew our lease come end if term. The council have treated Clyde like shit since day one. If they were to find a new home elsewhere it may not be a bad thing. Tell the council to ram it and try move closer to Rutherglen/ East Kilbride as Cumbernauld is doing them no favours. EK is growing all the time.  

 

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On 04/03/2022 at 16:34, Adam said:


I’m basically saying that NLC need to keep the playing field even. Do we have a tier logic behind this? Rape - life ban from Broadwood and other NLC facilities, assault - perhaps a 6 month ban? It needs to be clear, for all clubs that are in council owned stadia, so they know who they can and can’t sign.


At what point in the last 5 years did you go from this:

On 31/03/2017 at 22:46, Adam said:

 


All comforting to the woman he raped I guess.

I'm ashamed of my club tonight.

 

to being more worried about how the rapist is being treated?

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edited to remove an overly strong phrase which I initially used
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