BullyWee Craig Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, Rugby Is Terrible said: Would this be your stance if it was your wife/daughter or other loved one was the victim? Forget DG for a second. Do you really advocate for a system where someone's life can be ruined and the burden of proof didn't even need to be met? I don't want any serious case decided where it doesn't meet legal definitions or it isn't proven beyond believable doubt. If someone is guilty of a crime then they should be taken to a criminal court and dealt with. Otherwise we have a two tiered legal system, double jeopardy and people being considered guilty in the public eye despite having not broken the law. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugby Is Terrible Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, BullyWee Craig said: Forget DG for a second. Do you really advocate for a system where someone's life can be ruined and the burden of proof didn't even need to be met? I don't want any serious case decided where it doesn't meet legal definitions or it isn't proven beyond believable doubt. If someone is guilty of a crime then they should be taken to a criminal court and dealt with. Otherwise we have a two tiered legal system, double jeopardy and people being considered guilty in the public eye despite having not broken the law. That doesn’t answer the question. Would your stance be exactly the same if it was your daughter or wife who was the victim? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullyWee Craig Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, Rugby Is Terrible said: That doesn’t answer the question. Would your stance be exactly the same if it was your daughter or wife who was the victim? I'm not sure why you think that would change my stance on the legal issues of taking a rape case to court. The answer however is yes. It would be horrible they went through it but there is a reason for legal definitions, burden of proof and it shouldn't be ignored. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Carrigan Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 4 minutes ago, BullyWee Craig said: I'm not sure why you think that would change my stance on the legal issues of taking a rape case to court. The answer however is yes. It would be horrible they went through it but there is a reason for legal definitions, burden of proof and it shouldn't be ignored. Oh my god 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugby Is Terrible Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 11 minutes ago, BullyWee Craig said: I'm not sure why you think that would change my stance on the legal issues of taking a rape case to court. The answer however is yes. It would be horrible they went through it but there is a reason for legal definitions, burden of proof and it shouldn't be ignored. To be clear you’d continued to cheer on and help pay the wages of a man your wife/daughter accused of rape and in a civil court was found on the balance of probabilities to have raped your wife/daughter? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Carrigan Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 4 minutes ago, Rugby Is Terrible said: To be clear you’d continued to cheer on and help pay the wages of a man your wife/daughter accused of rape and in a civil court was found on the balance of probabilities to have raped your wife/daughter? I think what's clear at this point is this laddie is a pellet. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullyWee Craig Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 4 minutes ago, Rugby Is Terrible said: To be clear you’d continued to cheer on and help pay the wages of a man your wife/daughter accused of rape and in a civil court was found on the balance of probabilities to have raped your wife/daughter? So you think people writing the law should only consider emotions and how they would feel should it be their family member? Using an emotional argument doesn't make you right, it's likely to lead to a really bad legal system though if you implement it across the board. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullyWee Craig Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, Brian Carrigan said: I think what's clear at this point is this laddie is a pellet. No its clear you haven't got the slightest idea about the law or why it is written the way it is though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullyWee Craig Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 16 minutes ago, Brian Carrigan said: Oh my god Funny that the procurators fiscal didn't find enough evidence but some guy using an ex clyde players name on P&B and sussed it out and found him guilty 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Carrigan Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 1 minute ago, BullyWee Craig said: Funny that the procurators fiscal didn't find enough evidence but some guy using an ex clyde players name on P&B and sussed it out and found him guilty Good font control. This is actually beyond parody at this point. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullyWee Craig Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 1 minute ago, Brian Carrigan said: Good font control. This is actually beyond parody at this point. I notice you haven't put forward an single argument as to why he's guilty though. You realise you look really stupid at this point. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 1 hour ago, BullyWee Craig said: You really don't like facts do you Which facts? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullyWee Craig Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 4 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said: Which facts? The fact he was never found guilty The fact he isn't rapist The fact that those who know and understand criminal law found insufficient evidence The fact that taking rape cases to civil court is extremely dangerous because of its low bar for burden of proof. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, BullyWee Craig said: The fact he was never found guilty The fact he isn't rapist The fact that those who know and understand criminal law found insufficient evidence The fact that taking rape cases to civil court is extremely dangerous because of its low bar for burden of proof. Points 1-3 are all the same thing and point 4 is your opinion. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Carrigan Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 22 minutes ago, BullyWee Craig said: I notice you haven't put forward an single argument as to why he's guilty though. You realise you look really stupid at this point. I’m really not thinking you’re reading the (online) room re: who looks stupid. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 24 minutes ago, BullyWee Craig said: The fact he isn't rapist A bold claim. The PF not having enough evidence to convict him doesn't mean Goodwillie isn't a rapist. The lifting your doing here says a lot, and that is far more worrying than Goodwillie becoming bankrupt through a civil case after (in all probability) raping someone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ocelot1877 Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 (edited) 25 minutes ago, BullyWee Craig said: The fact that taking rape cases to civil court is extremely dangerous because of its low bar for burden of proof. With regards to your first point, he was found guilty in a civil court so saying he isn’t guilty makes no sense. With regards to this point. Given how it’s a dangerous precedent in your eyes given the “ low bar for burden of proof”, do you think that if the burden of evidence of rape cases in Scotland w( and the UK) with regard to criminal court wasn’t set up the way it is and therefore very difficult to fulfil the criteria ( resulting in huge drops in the rate of rape convictions in the process) he would maybe have been tried in a criminal court? If the burden of proof in a civil court is too low in your eyes, yet all the evidence and data suggests that the reason that rape cases are being convicted less and less in criminal courts is because the burden is too high, what do you suggest rape victims do to get justice? In your head do they get justice? Do criminals just get away with it? If the PF doesn’t find enough evidence to convict in a criminal court does that mean it didn’t happen? If a tree falls in the woods etc Edited January 26, 2022 by Ocelot1877 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Carrigan Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 You’re trying to speak sense to a man that a few minutes ago, said he would graciously accept the outcome of the case in a court of law if David Goodwillie had raped his own wife/daughter. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Carrigan Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 1 hour ago, BullyWee Craig said: I'm not sure why you think that would change my stance on the legal issues of taking a rape case to court. The answer however is yes. It would be horrible they went through it but there is a reason for legal definitions, burden of proof and it shouldn't be ignored. Just reading this again, an absolutely mind boggling take 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haufdaft Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Any rumours of signings?I don't really care if they're true -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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