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13 hours ago, David W said:

On Shiels, he looked like a lost boy when they brought him on in the game we won in Dumbarton. McStay was in one of his beast modes and had the run of that side of the pitch.

I'd also say though that playing left back for DL is different than playing left back for Duffy. He'll be expected to defend higher up the pitch and in wider areas, where pace rather than physicality is important. Makes it even more crucial that we sign a quality CH and energetic midfielders. If we are playing a deep, tight back four I think he'll be a disaster.

I wonder what input our various directors of recruitment and the like had in this. I think it's been obvious that DL's major flaw has been some absolutely awful signings.

He must have something about him or he'd have been emptied by Rangers, surely? 

Who knows, he may fit better with us than he's done previously at clubs. (This may be heresy, but I saw very little in Archiebald at Clyde!)  With all the discussions about new appointments, we can't hide our poor record of signings over the last few years under DL.

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2 hours ago, Bully Wee Clyde FC said:

(This may be heresy, but I saw very little in Archiebald at Clyde!) 

Absolutely agree with this - I never found a more annoying player than him and how he ever got where he did astounds me!

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Absolutely agree with this - I never found a more annoying player than him and how he ever got where he did astounds me!

This opens up a WHOLE new discussion on players that didn’t do well at Clyde but improved after they left. Joe Cardle is my starting point

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John Baird, Bob Harris and Jordan White never really done much at Clyde but done well elsewhere.

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2 hours ago, Bully Wee Clyde FC said:

He must have something about him or he'd have been emptied by Rangers, surely? 

Who knows, he may fit better with us than he's done previously at clubs. (This may be heresy, but I saw very little in Archiebald at Clyde!)  With all the discussions about new appointments, we can't hide our poor record of signings over the last few years under DL.

I was talking to a coach of a Premier league youth team about a year ago and he quite openly admitted that they only think a small number of players in any "year-group" will get near making it (and by that, he didn't even mean getting into their first team, just that they might end up elsewhere and possibly bring in a fee). But they need to carry another 15 bodies to make up the numbers for training and matches.

Rangers will know already that Shiels won't get near their team but they can send him out on loan (recouping a chunk of his wages) and still use him as they please in youth/reserve/Challenge cup matches.

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1 hour ago, David W said:

I was talking to a coach of a Premier league youth team about a year ago and he quite openly admitted that they only think a small number of players in any "year-group" will get near making it (and by that, he didn't even mean getting into their first team, just that they might end up elsewhere and possibly bring in a fee). But they need to carry another 15 bodies to make up the numbers for training and matches.

Rangers will know already that Shiels won't get near their team but they can send him out on loan (recouping a chunk of his wages) and still use him as they please in youth/reserve/Challenge cup matches.

Came across this several years ago when my youngest was asked to move from Scotland BC , based in Glasgow, to play for Aberdeen BC (also Glasgow) who of course would go up to Aberdeen every couple of weeks for training, coaching or matches. It was the first time I came across the word 'filler' as they needed 11-12 boys who were capable in their own right to make up the numbers for the 1 or 2 who might make it. Of course the coaches will never tell you that to your face so in fact you are left to judge your boy's ability & chances yourself. That travel made it an easy decision in that particular case..

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It’s well known in pro youth set up, similar story with my son; at end of the day 3  players, out of a decent side actually, (probably statically more than usual) eventually played first team football. Only one now still plays- Shankland- so a clue as to the side.

It was obvious to most that the set up across the club was to accommodate 2-3 players in most age groups.

Fortunately both my boy and I were comfortable enough just to enjoy the football no illusions about being a professional player.

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This discussion is one of the main reasons I don't support having Old Firm colt sides in the league. The idea that a player plays in L2 that the ugly sisters know fine well won't get anywhere near their first team, so they can sell them on for a small fee or help them nurture the couple of players that MAY make it in their own first teams doesn't sit well with me.

There is an argument for the other side though, in that at least the players both end up filtering down the ladder in some way or another. Looking at the teams from the 2017 Youth Cup Final, all 18 Celtic players listed have played regular first team football across the leagues in Scotland with only Mikey Johnstone still in contention for the Celtic first team. By my count 13 of the Rangers players are in the same boat with only really Goalie McCrorie in with any kind of a shout of playing first team games.

There are a few players in the Rangers team that were (or will be) sold/compensated for however (Gilmour, McCrorie, Rudden, Atakayi, Dallas at the very least) so I'd be interested to know what proportion of the funds raised goes towards the youth set up/scouting/signing players from other youth teams.

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Cunningham. Happy with that.

Sign midfielders and a centre back now.

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Ok with that one.. I think he has a lot more to offer than he did last season. Was improving with every game. Good player 

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That's a good signing. Can't ever have enough attacking players who are on Goodwillie's wavelength. Play him and Syvertsen either side of DGW and we should have two players that will support him with some goals.

Always a question whether full-timers lose a bit of sharpness/fitness when dropping to part-time; hopefully he isn't affected by that.

Need good midfielders to supply that front line now. And a centre half obviously.

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Just listened to Danny and Graham Diamond on A Celtic state of mind.. said they are trying to bring in Joshua Jack & Jay Henderson on loan from St Mirren.

Also worth a listen. 

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