EoS Premier Thread 2019-20

[Footballfirst]

Newtongrange Star @NittenStar1890

*Club Statement* Following today's defeat to Penicuik the committee have reluctantly accepted the resignations of Darren Smith and Kenny Rafferty. We thank them for their efforts and wish them well for the future

Joe Wilson

President

[Belter1]

Wasn’t going to be easy at nitten. I’m sure they will get another job soon though

[Krul and The Gang]

Mr Harvey getting the Nitten job with Chris King as assistant 

[Blue White Dynamite]

[Belter1]

Mr Harvey getting the Nitten job with Chris King as assistant [emoji102]

Heard there’s an ex junior legend going in as his number 2?

[Footballfirst]

Newtongrange Star @NittenStar1890

*Club Statement*

The club are delighted to announce that Chris King has agreed to become the new Manager. Chris will be assisted by Wes Mitchell. Both are former players who have a wealth of experience in the game. Welcome back Chris and Wes.

Joe Wilson

President

[kleptomaniac]

On 16/11/2019 at 20:17, Belter1 said:

Wasn’t going to be easy at nitten. I’m sure they will get another job soon though

Where? - that's them resigned from their last three jobs and not seen a season out at any of them.  They won't be seen as an attractive proposition now.  Those cup wins at Tranent are a distant memory.

[NL Observer]

1 hour ago, kleptomaniac said:

Where? - that's them resigned from their last three jobs and not seen a season out at any of them.  They won't be seen as an attractive proposition now.  Those cup wins at Tranent are a distant memory.

I’m sure there will be other opportunities in management for both. Yes they have resigned 3 times, surely they can justify all 3 to any prospective new club!

The switch from Dalkeith to Nitten would have been viewed as an upwards step on their managerial pathway which no one can grudge? In hindsight you may argue that the move wasn’t wise.

I think the spells at Tranent and Dalkeith can be viewed as relatively successful. The cup wins at Tranent were a huge achievement albeit on a decent budget. They took over Dalkeith and were unlucky to not finish in the top 5 on a smidgen of the budget other teams had within their conference.

Newongrange hasn’t worked out for one reason or another, could anyone else have done any better? Time will tell. On the face of it they had assembled a decent squad given the budget available was rumoured to be as low as any club in the table? 

In my opinion success should be measured against expectations – Newtongrange are sitting 13^th just now and only one win away from 10^th. with the table being so congested. That tells me they aren’t too far away from where they should be?

On the other hand Boness are leading the table and rightly so given the fact they have probable spent as much as anyone in the league. The team who is out performing expectations has to be HOB.

[cookieboy]

3 hours ago, NL Observer said:

I’m sure there will be other opportunities in management for both. Yes they have resigned 3 times, surely they can justify all 3 to any prospective new club!

The switch from Dalkeith to Nitten would have been viewed as an upwards step on their managerial pathway which no one can grudge? In hindsight you may argue that the move wasn’t wise.

I think the spells at Tranent and Dalkeith can be viewed as relatively successful. The cup wins at Tranent were a huge achievement albeit on a decent budget. They took over Dalkeith and were unlucky to not finish in the top 5 on a smidgen of the budget other teams had within their conference.

Newongrange hasn’t worked out for one reason or another, could anyone else have done any better? Time will tell. On the face of it they had assembled a decent squad given the budget available was rumoured to be as low as any club in the table? 

In my opinion success should be measured against expectations – Newtongrange are sitting 13^th just now and only one win away from 10^th. with the table being so congested. That tells me they aren’t too far away from where they should be?

On the other hand Boness are leading the table and rightly so given the fact they have probable spent as much as anyone in the league. The team who is out performing expectations has to be HOB.

Don’t agree with HOB they finished second in the conference behind Penicuik so no surprise to me they are up there .

They are a very good team with a mix of experience and youth they won’t be far away at the end of the season

[NL Observer]

Just now, cookieboy said:

Don’t agree with HOB they finished second in the conference behind Penicuik so no surprise to me they are up there .

They are a very good team with a mix of experience and youth they won’t be far away at the end of the season

I mentioned HOB as a compliment to them. They are an excellent side, i have watched them a few times this season.

I gave my opinion on how success should be measured in order to defend the outgoing Newtongrange Management Team. Going by my rational on this they (HOB) are exceeding expectations.  if there was a budget league table they would likely sit mid table at best therefore only in my opinion they are performing above what anyone should expect from them. Is that fair?

[cookieboy]

I’ve have no idea what their budget is and have no inclination to know but as you say they will probably be mid table but having seen a lot of them over two seasons I rate them

Big budgets not always the winners

[buboy]

I’m sure there will be other opportunities in management for both. Yes they have resigned 3 times, surely they can justify all 3 to any prospective new club!
The switch from Dalkeith to Nitten would have been viewed as an upwards step on their managerial pathway which no one can grudge? In hindsight you may argue that the move wasn’t wise.
I think the spells at Tranent and Dalkeith can be viewed as relatively successful. The cup wins at Tranent were a huge achievement albeit on a decent budget. They took over Dalkeith and were unlucky to not finish in the top 5 on a smidgen of the budget other teams had within their conference.
Newongrange hasn’t worked out for one reason or another, could anyone else have done any better? Time will tell. On the face of it they had assembled a decent squad given the budget available was rumoured to be as low as any club in the table? 
In my opinion success should be measured against expectations – Newtongrange are sitting 13^th just now and only one win away from 10^th. with the table being so congested. That tells me they aren’t too far away from where they should be?
On the other hand Boness are leading the table and rightly so given the fact they have probable spent as much as anyone in the league. The team who is out performing expectations has to be HOB.

Good to see you know all about boness budget that's handy to know

[Casey Jones]

5 hours ago, NL Observer said:

I’m sure there will be other opportunities in management for both. Yes they have resigned 3 times, surely they can justify all 3 to any prospective new club!

The switch from Dalkeith to Nitten would have been viewed as an upwards step on their managerial pathway which no one can grudge? In hindsight you may argue that the move wasn’t wise.

I think the spells at Tranent and Dalkeith can be viewed as relatively successful. The cup wins at Tranent were a huge achievement albeit on a decent budget. They took over Dalkeith and were unlucky to not finish in the top 5 on a smidgen of the budget other teams had within their conference.

Newongrange hasn’t worked out for one reason or another, could anyone else have done any better? Time will tell. On the face of it they had assembled a decent squad given the budget available was rumoured to be as low as any club in the table? 

In my opinion success should be measured against expectations – Newtongrange are sitting 13^th just now and only one win away from 10^th. with the table being so congested. That tells me they aren’t too far away from where they should be?

On the other hand Boness are leading the table and rightly so given the fact they have probable spent as much as anyone in the league. The team who is out performing expectations has to be HOB.

Have to be talking through a hole in your head where HoB are concerned. If you know anything about East of Scotland League from last year, you would know that they were only 20 minutes away from winning conference A. We're unbeaten against confirm winners Penicuik and I bet will be favourites amongst a lot of fans, including me, to win the Premier League this year.

Agree with you on Darren Smith & co re Nitten. Looks like very little funding available to them this season. Few managers would have done better

[Deanburn Dave]

Good to see you know all about boness budget that's handy to know

If in doubt, make stuff up seems to be the order of the day.

[NL Observer]

16 hours ago, Casey Jones said:

Have to be talking through a hole in your head where HoB are concerned. If you know anything about East of Scotland League from last year, you would know that they were only 20 minutes away from winning conference A. We're unbeaten against confirm winners Penicuik and I bet will be favourites amongst a lot of fans, including me, to win the Premier League this year.

Agree with you on Darren Smith & co re Nitten. Looks like very little funding available to them this season. Few managers would have done better

Everyone seems to be slightly touchy and picking me up wrongly.......... I am not trying to be negative towards anyone. I am perfectly aware of how well HOB done last season and are doing this season, tremendous credit to their previous management team and for the new management team who seem to have kept the form going.

The purpose of my post was to defend Darren Smith and Kenny Rafferty's record as the management team of Newtongrange. They have one of the lowest budgets in the league therefore you would expect them to finish near the bottom of the table? HOB are similar and likely have one of the lower budgets however they are over achieving based on this, therefore they deserve enormous credit in my opinion.

I also don't claim to know the Boness budget. I do think it will be within the top 4 in the league therefore its no surprise to see them up the top end of the league. They are doing superbly and look in a good place to win the league. Fair play to them.

[NL Observer]

17 hours ago, cookieboy said:

I’ve have no idea what their budget is and have no inclination to know but as you say they will probably be mid table but having seen a lot of them over two seasons I rate them

Big budgets not always the winners

"Big budgets not always the winners"

I think you will find 9 times out of 10 they are! Just look at the leagues your club has played in over the past 10 years and think how many league winners have came from teams who don't invest the most in their playing squad?

[cookieboy]

2 hours ago, NL Observer said:

Everyone seems to be slightly touchy and picking me up wrongly.......... I am not trying to be negative towards anyone. I am perfectly aware of how well HOB done last season and are doing this season, tremendous credit to their previous management team and for the new management team who seem to have kept the form going.

The purpose of my post was to defend Darren Smith and Kenny Rafferty's record as the management team of Newtongrange. They have one of the lowest budgets in the league therefore you would expect them to finish near the bottom of the table? HOB are similar and likely have one of the lower budgets however they are over achieving based on this, therefore they deserve enormous credit in my opinion.

I also don't claim to know the Boness budget. I do think it will be within the top 4 in the league therefore its no surprise to see them up the top end of the league. They are doing superbly and look in a good place to win the league. Fair play to them.

Maybe you could gives us your guess of the leagues budgets from top to bottom or are you suggesting we only have to look at the league table 

[NL Observer]

23 minutes ago, cookieboy said:

Maybe you could gives us your guess of the leagues budgets from top to bottom or are you suggesting we only have to look at the league table 

Not at all. I`m pretty sure you get my point however continue to pick holes in what i am  trying to put across.

Expectations from committees/ boards/ supporters are set at the start of the season and in my opinion are primarily based on budgets available to the manager. You cant expect Hearts and Hibs to go toe to toe with the Old Firm as they simply cant compete financially. I personally feel it would be unreasonable to have that expectation.

Not one person would have expected Newtongrange to win the league this year. The reason being they simply wouldn't have the budget for it, not because of the management team they had.

Surely the  seasons goal for Newtongrange would be survival, and if they exceed that they could compete within the mid-top end of the table. With all this in mind Newtongrange are effectively on par with where they should have been expected to be.

[drs]

For someone with observer in their name you don't actually appear to be very observant.

[Casey Jones]

6 hours ago, NL Observer said:

Everyone seems to be slightly touchy and picking me up wrongly.......... I am not trying to be negative towards anyone. I am perfectly aware of how well HOB done last season and are doing this season, tremendous credit to their previous management team and for the new management team who seem to have kept the form going.

The purpose of my post was to defend Darren Smith and Kenny Rafferty's record as the management team of Newtongrange. They have one of the lowest budgets in the league therefore you would expect them to finish near the bottom of the table? HOB are similar and likely have one of the lower budgets however they are over achieving based on this, therefore they deserve enormous credit in my opinion.

I also don't claim to know the Boness budget. I do think it will be within the top 4 in the league therefore its no surprise to see them up the top end of the league. They are doing superbly and look in a good place to win the league. Fair play to them.

Everyone  getting 'touchy'.  Perhaps it is the way you write your posts! HoB doing better than expectations? Why would you write that? 

There is a saying that the written word has no tone!  So when you make statements like you did about HoB and Bo'ness, why are you surprised when people come back at you?