Gordon EF Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 1 hour ago, morrison1982 said: The home nations need to have "arbitrary" rules because otherwise each national team could pick whichever player with a British passport they liked, irrespective of their personal circumstances and ties (or lack of them) to that country. Don't the home nations just agree to use the same rules as everyone else? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morrison1982 Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Gordon EF said: Don't the home nations just agree to use the same rules as everyone else? Nope. Vast majority of national football teams represent independent nation states, so they just say that if you're a citizen then you're eligible. FIFA have a rule on top of this that require people to live for five years in their "new" country before playing internationally. Different nation states have different citizenship rules. Some allow people with grandparents born there to become citizens (e.g. Ireland), others don't. Most states allow people to become citizens by naturalisation, so that's how you sometimes get Brazilians turning out for Qatar, UAE, etc. This all means that the "rules" for other national teams can be quite different, e.g. it would be impossible for an adult to naturalise as a British citizen and then play for one of the home nations. It is possible for a child to naturalise and then play, under the education rule that was brought in about 10 years ago (e.g. Jordan Rhodes). Edited May 21, 2019 by morrison1982 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 4 hours ago, cmontheloknow said: Still can't get over how a Scottish international in Bryan Gunn could raise a lad named Angus and couldn't make him feel Scottish enough to want to play for us. He should've called him Scotland. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A.F.C Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 He should've called him Scotland.Or shot 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 (edited) 32 minutes ago, morrison1982 said: Nope. Vast majority of national football teams represent independent nation states, so they just say that if you're a citizen then you're eligible. FIFA have a rule on top of this that require people to live for five years in their "new" country before playing internationally. Different nation states have different citizenship rules. Some allow people with grandparents born there to become citizens (e.g. Ireland), others don't. Most states allow people to become citizens by naturalisation, so that's how you sometimes get Brazilians turning out for Qatar, UAE, etc. This all means that the "rules" for other national teams can be quite different, e.g. it would be impossible for an adult to naturalise as a British citizen and then play for one of the home nations. It is possible for a child to naturalise and then play, under the education rule that was brought in about 10 years ago (e.g. Jordan Rhodes). OK, clearly citizenship rules are different for all countries and are very clearly different for the home nations. But in terms of 'birth' rules, we use the same rules as everyone else. You can play for Scotland if you're born there, one of your parents was born there or one of your grandparents was born there. All I'm saying is that it's ridiculous for someone to say that the 'born in a particular country' rule is any less "accidental" or arbitrary than the grandparents rule. As if people who support the birth rule only are somehow blood and soil nationalists and supporters of the grandparent rule are "citizens of the world, man". Edited May 21, 2019 by Gordon EF 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 Or shotInfanticide seems a touch harsh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estragon Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 Nice to get another catalyst for the old blood-fascists to get their big, gammony faces in a crumple over. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 Or shotTommy would have been a better name for the lad. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A.F.C Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 Tommy would have been a better name for the lad.Or andy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoDiego Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 Worth it for the name alone imoBefore reading this thread I was sure Jed Steer was a made up name from Brasseye. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbieD Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 On 21/05/2019 at 07:45, cmontheloknow said: Still can't get over how a Scottish international in Bryan Gunn could raise a lad named Angus and couldn't make him feel Scottish enough to want to play for us. He’s openly discouraged Angus for playing for Scotland. Mental. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuro Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 38 minutes ago, RobbieD said: He’s openly discouraged Angus for playing for Scotland. Mental. Has he? Got a source? -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londonwell Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, RobbieD said: He’s openly discouraged Angus for playing for Scotland. Mental. Really, where’d you see that? I’ve only ever seen the exact opposite hinted at tbf. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/bryan-gunn-support-son-angus-6488047 Edited June 3, 2019 by Londonwell 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charger29 Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 It doesn't seem like Steer will be starting in the Premier League. They're trying to sign the Cardiff keeper. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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