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1 hour ago, morrison1982 said:

The home nations need to have "arbitrary" rules because otherwise each national team could pick whichever player with a British passport they liked, irrespective of their personal circumstances and ties (or lack of them) to that country.

Don't the home nations just agree to use the same rules as everyone else?

 

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3 hours ago, Gordon EF said:

Don't the home nations just agree to use the same rules as everyone else?

 

Nope. Vast majority of national football teams represent independent nation states, so they just say that if you're a citizen then you're eligible. FIFA have a rule on top of this that require people to live for five years in their "new" country before playing internationally.

Different nation states have different citizenship rules. Some allow people with grandparents born there to become citizens (e.g. Ireland), others don't. Most states allow people to become citizens by naturalisation, so that's how you sometimes get Brazilians turning out for Qatar, UAE, etc.

This all means that the "rules" for other national teams can be quite different, e.g. it would be impossible for an adult to naturalise as a British citizen and then play for one of the home nations. It is possible for a child to naturalise and then play, under the education rule that was brought in about 10 years ago (e.g. Jordan Rhodes).

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32 minutes ago, morrison1982 said:

Nope. Vast majority of national football teams represent independent nation states, so they just say that if you're a citizen then you're eligible. FIFA have a rule on top of this that require people to live for five years in their "new" country before playing internationally.

Different nation states have different citizenship rules. Some allow people with grandparents born there to become citizens (e.g. Ireland), others don't. Most states allow people to become citizens by naturalisation, so that's how you sometimes get Brazilians turning out for Qatar, UAE, etc.

This all means that the "rules" for other national teams can be quite different, e.g. it would be impossible for an adult to naturalise as a British citizen and then play for one of the home nations. It is possible for a child to naturalise and then play, under the education rule that was brought in about 10 years ago (e.g. Jordan Rhodes).

OK, clearly citizenship rules are different for all countries and are very clearly different for the home nations. But in terms of 'birth' rules, we use the same rules as everyone else. You can play for Scotland if you're born there, one of your parents was born there or one of your grandparents was born there.

All I'm saying is that it's ridiculous for someone to say that the 'born in a particular country' rule is any less "accidental" or arbitrary than the grandparents rule. As if people who support the birth rule only are somehow blood and soil nationalists and supporters of the grandparent rule are "citizens of the world, man".

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On 21/05/2019 at 07:45, cmontheloknow said:

Still can't get over how a Scottish international in Bryan Gunn could raise a lad named Angus and couldn't make him feel Scottish enough to want to play for us.

He’s openly discouraged Angus for playing for Scotland. Mental.

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