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No way would they have disallowed that goal for Man Utd or Liverpool.
That's just meaningless bollox.

Fwiw i thought they made the correct call, even though its unfair on Everton, as the keeper wasn't getting it either way.

But he's clearly in the sight of the initial shot so offside.
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As soon as the shot is struck it's offside because Sigurdsson is in his line of vision. The outcome is irrelevant. De Gea still managing to dive despite his view being obstructed doesn't matter, the ball taking a deflection doesn't matter, whether De Gea is going to save it anyway doesn't matter.

If someone is in 50 yards of space but is a yard offside, we don't give the goal because he would have scored anyway even if he hadn't been offside. It's the same concept. As soon as the offence is committed, it's a foul, it doesn't matter what else happens or was going to happen.

I don't understand how someone's line of vision can be obstructed by someone lying on the ground. De Gea was saving the shot up until it deflected, that's pretty impressive considering his vision was obstructed...

 

No point continuing the discussion though because we will never see (lawl) eye to eye on this one.

 

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1 hour ago, DAVIDB69 said:

Not beyond impossible but unlikely that spurs ,arsenal and man united could all be sitting Europe next season

 

 

43 minutes ago, DAVIDB69 said:

I suppose we are now in March and we could have Leicester , wolves , Sheffield united and Burnley all qualifying for Europe next season

:lol:

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Chris Kavanagh comes off like an utter jobsworth when he sends Ancelotti off.

ETA:

 

He says, 'I want a decision. I won't disappear' and gets sent off for it. FFS.

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Stumbled across this article while looking for something else. Fair enough, at the time I wondered if the evolution from 4-4-2 had left Alex Ferguson behind in the way it did with managers like George Graham and Kenny Dalglish. But this is crackers stuff...

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2006/jul/31/sport.comment

"...run by a manager who shreds his legacy at every turn; almost exclusively represented by the inadequate (Darren Fletcher and Kieran Richardson) and the odious (Rio Ferdinand); unable to close a deal for West Brom's reserve keeper, never mind the new Roy Keane. The signing of Michael Carrick, a Pirlo when a Gattuso was needed, is a band aid for a bullet wound, and a ludicrously expensive one at that."

"United finished second last season, but that as much about the deficiency of the Premiership as their own quality. Arsenal will surely not have a four-month blind spot this season, while all evidence suggests that Liverpool's gradient will continue on its upward trajectory. With Tottenham getting stronger, even with the loss of Carrick, it is conceivable that, if they start slowly and get significant injuries, United could finish fifth; in today's environment, that would be disastrous."

"Just as the glory years of 1992 to 2001 will only fully be appreciated in 20 years' time, so will Ferguson's subsequent failure."

An on, and on.

Obviously Man Utd immediately went on a run of league finishes of 1st, 1st, 1st, 2nd (by 1 point), 1st, 2nd (goal difference), 1st; won the Champions League and were runner-up twice in four seasons; and also won 2 League Cups, 4 Community Shields and a Club World Cup.

A good reminder of how those paid a fair amount of money to write about football are often terrible at making predictions.

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1 hour ago, GordonS said:

Stumbled across this article while looking for something else. Fair enough, at the time I wondered if the evolution from 4-4-2 had left Alex Ferguson behind in the way it did with managers like George Graham and Kenny Dalglish. But this is crackers stuff...

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2006/jul/31/sport.comment

"...run by a manager who shreds his legacy at every turn; almost exclusively represented by the inadequate (Darren Fletcher and Kieran Richardson) and the odious (Rio Ferdinand); unable to close a deal for West Brom's reserve keeper, never mind the new Roy Keane. The signing of Michael Carrick, a Pirlo when a Gattuso was needed, is a band aid for a bullet wound, and a ludicrously expensive one at that."

"United finished second last season, but that as much about the deficiency of the Premiership as their own quality. Arsenal will surely not have a four-month blind spot this season, while all evidence suggests that Liverpool's gradient will continue on its upward trajectory. With Tottenham getting stronger, even with the loss of Carrick, it is conceivable that, if they start slowly and get significant injuries, United could finish fifth; in today's environment, that would be disastrous."

"Just as the glory years of 1992 to 2001 will only fully be appreciated in 20 years' time, so will Ferguson's subsequent failure."

An on, and on.

Obviously Man Utd immediately went on a run of league finishes of 1st, 1st, 1st, 2nd (by 1 point), 1st, 2nd (goal difference), 1st; won the Champions League and were runner-up twice in four seasons; and also won 2 League Cups, 4 Community Shields and a Club World Cup.

A good reminder of how those paid a fair amount of money to write about football are often terrible at making predictions.

Also a good example of the fact journalists don't necessarily know anything about the game.  I hate this trend now of people like Ballague and Hunter being used as co-commentators, that's supposed to be expert analysis, and they aren't experts.  Also journalists on awards panels etc, they are just layman with better access.  

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14 hours ago, Theroadlesstravelled said:

The FA say the goal was disallowed because De Gea’s view was blocked.

Every bit of excitement in the league has been sucked dry by the FA.

Ancelotti called it "borderline". 

IMO he's interfering with play because the keeper has to wait to react in case the player on the ground changes the direction of the ball as it's going past. De Gea can't know he's offside, so his reaction is affected. You can argue it either way but it's definitely not grounds to have a go at the referee, the FA or anyone else. These kind of decisions have been going either way as long as I've been watching the game.

De Gea drops a clanger that would embarrass a school kid and all anyone wants to talk about is the bloody refereeing...

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