craigkillie Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 The assistants are asked to hold their flag initially, but then still put it up at the end. I don't see why a change in protocol would affect that - they make the decision they think is correct.In terms of the time taken, I don't think the "benefit of the doubt" will go in favour of the attacker, but rather in favour of the on-field decision. If an assistant gives it VAR has to quickly prove it's onside to overturn it, and if he doesn't give it then VAR has to quickly prove it's offside to overturn that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eez-eh Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 I don't think having to make decisions quickly will solve the farcical offside calls. You'll just get the same wankers hurriedly drawing even shitter lines using the same camera angles. Either the technology needs to be better or they factor in a margin of error when overturning decisions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 9 hours ago, Stevieda said: 10 hours ago, GordonS said: The Wolves' offside was much too close to be confident about. Freeze it a couple of frames earlier and he looks onside. It's well within the margin of error. Both decisions took far, far too long and paying fans were left waiting like mugs, with no idea what was going on. It bleeds the atmosphere out of the crowd. I'm a big fan of TMO reviews in rugby, it's part of the drama because you see it on the big screen at the same time as the referee and you can get a ref link radio and listen to the decision being made if you want. It's also usually pretty quick. But VAR has been an abject failure in football so far. How does TMO in rugby deal with marginal decisions? Maybe like forward passes? I've seen decisions in rugby on forward passes and offside in rugby that I've disagreed with. But they don't have the pretence of a line placed on the image on the screen, they go by naked eye - if it doesn't clearly look offside they'll rarely decide that it is and usually the attacking side gets the benefit of the doubt. There's always an element of it being a judgment call though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musketeer Gripweed Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevieda Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Sums it up well 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnoustie Young Guvnor Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 14 hours ago, craigkillie said: The referee had no grounds to stop play. He can only stop it if the ball hits him, not if he gets in the way of a player. I'm sure that rule will be updated after that. He obviously should have stopped play, or at least chased and brought down de Bruyne. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albertlegend Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 With regards to the camera angles Hawkeye have developed the technology to determine player positions from any camera angle. An interesting thread on the whole thing. Instill think VAR could work but they have to completely change the way it is applied. I thought after Russia 2018 it worked pretty well I dont remember this many controversies then. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charger29 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 The referee had no grounds to stop play. He can only stop it if the ball hits him, not if he gets in the way of a player. Course he can. There's some leeway allowing refs to make their own interpretation if something isn't specifically mentioned in the laws. It should be judged by whether it's "in the spirit of the game". Edit: I'm assuming it doesn't say anywhere, "if you get in the way and the ball comes close to hitting you but doesn't, then play on". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnoustie Young Guvnor Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 23 minutes ago, charger29 said: Course he can. There's some leeway allowing refs to make their own interpretation if something isn't specifically mentioned in the laws. It should be judged by whether it's "in the spirit of the game". Edit: I'm assuming it doesn't say anywhere, "if you get in the way and the ball comes close to hitting you but doesn't, then play on". Yeah I don't think there would have been any complaints from the opposition or the ref's assessor if he stopped play there, he obviously should have. That rule will be updated to reflect that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 2 hours ago, charger29 said: Course he can. There's some leeway allowing refs to make their own interpretation if something isn't specifically mentioned in the laws. It should be judged by whether it's "in the spirit of the game". Edit: I'm assuming it doesn't say anywhere, "if you get in the way and the ball comes close to hitting you but doesn't, then play on". The referee can technically stop the game whenever he wants, but getting in the way of players happens all the time and you never see the referee stopping the game for it, just as you never did previously when the ball hit them. On your second point, the laws of the game aren't really there to tell you what you can do, they're mostly telling you what you can't do. It doesn't say "if a player stands still 43 yards from goal then play on" either. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throbber Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 So Booby Marley was sacked for making a joke about the disabled in a private text to one of his so called mates :https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50960288?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=facebook&ns_campaign=bbc_match_of_the_day&ns_linkname=sport 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 So Booby Marley was sacked for making a joke about the disabled in a private text to one of his so called mates :https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50960288?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=facebook&ns_campaign=bbc_match_of_the_day&ns_linkname=sportI genuinely think an employer or whoever should be asking the context of a text like this and if it was within a provate conversation, should have no more to do with it. Disgusting that private one to one conversations can be used to beat people with to me. If a crime has been committed then take the message to the Police. Other than that, GTF with this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throbber Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 I genuinely think an employer or whoever should be asking the context of a text like this and if it was within a provate conversation, should have no more to do with it. Disgusting that private one to one conversations can be used to beat people with to me. If a crime has been committed then take the message to the Police. Other than that, GTF with this. Yeah I agree, but then again because of his position his employers had to do something about it. Who ever rated him out is the lowest of the low anyway but another sad example of the time’s we find ourselves in. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtie23 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Absolutely buzzing for more VAR controversy today 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accies1874 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Absolutely buzzing for more VAR controversy today Not even 15 minutes. Arguably the worst one yet. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtie23 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Not even 15 minutes. Arguably the worst one yet. Just seen it on twitter. Get this stuff in the bin, cancel the season 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Brees Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Not even 15 minutes. Arguably the worst one yet. Too far 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derry Alli Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 I've been under the impression (and have told people while Burnley are on) that Jack Cork was the first winner of 'Football Icon'. He wasn't. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accies1874 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Nice goal from Ings, but Spurs' CBs dodgy again. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accies1874 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Newcastle concede two goals from playing out from the back. Unreal from Maddison though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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