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4 minutes ago, Poet of the Macabre said:

I think this is the main point. I've played football where there's not even a qualified ref and certainly not linesmen but I'd - wrongly - assumed even EoS level would be light years ahead of the laughable standard I played at.

Even at the game it seemed to be mostly club officials and friends & family. There wasn't much of a reaction when the goals were scored but I'm guessing this is another thing I'll just get used to after a few matches.

I really feel clubs at all levels should be falling over themselves to welcome new people to games but there does seem to be a reluctance to make it an easy process. I really like Glenrothes keeping their FB and Twitter regularly updated though, which is a good sign.

Most non-league clubs are very welcoming, very friendly, much more so than at bigger clubs in my experience. Obviously there's not remotely the same atmosphere, though at the bigger Glasow/Ayrshire junior clubs you can get a bit of a league feel.

I finally reached the level that I played at when I watched a North Caley match recently between Invergordon and Orkney. It's the first time I've watched a match and though, yeah, I could have coped out there. That's where I draw the line, I'm not travelling to watch players as bad as I was.

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3 minutes ago, Rab B Nesbit said:

They’d help their cause by not referring to East of Scotland fitba as tubby lads sauntering around half cut on a Sunday morning.

He very clearly and obviously did not say that. You should go back and read that post again. 

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16 minutes ago, GordonS said:

He very clearly and obviously did not say that. You should go back and read that post again. 

I have and he clearly did. 

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28 minutes ago, Rab B Nesbit said:

I have and he clearly did. 

He didn’t... 🙄

TBH he makes a very fair point in regards to some teams not doing enough to welcome newcomers and create some sort of atmosphere in their grounds. It’s not a criticism of clubs as time and money doesn’t grow on trees but I believe in this day and ages they have to think out the box. Regular updates on social media, a well informed website that is regularly updated, competitions for supporters to get involved, etc...

Times have changed and people need to be encouraged into the ground in different ways than say 20-30 years ago

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37 minutes ago, Spyro said:

He didn’t... 🙄

TBH he makes a very fair point in regards to some teams not doing enough to welcome newcomers and create some sort of atmosphere in their grounds. It’s not a criticism of clubs as time and money doesn’t grow on trees but I believe in this day and ages they have to think out the box. Regular updates on social media, a well informed website that is regularly updated, competitions for supporters to get involved, etc...

Times have changed and people need to be encouraged into the ground in different ways than say 20-30 years ago

Disagree.

I certainly wouldn’t call ... updated social media, a well informed website that is regularly updated, competitions for supporters to get involved, etc ... thinking outside the box. 

There’s no substitute for winning games and having entertaining players to get the crowd through the gates but if not a friendly welcome and some decent, facilities, food, programme etc goes a long way. 

 

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I have and he clearly did. 
Calm doon pal 
Of course I've seen park football and played matches with no linesman but I'd mistakenly thought the East of Scotland was at a higher standard than tubby lads sauntering around half cut on a Sunday morning.
 
No, what he said was that the level he played, and associated with no linesmen, was tubby lads. He's saying his mistake is thinking everything above that would have linesmen.

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5 minutes ago, Rab B Nesbit said:

I certainly wouldn’t call ... updated social media, a well informed website that is regularly updated, competitions for supporters to get involved, etc ... thinking outside the box.

It’s more than a lot of clubs manage... anyway, I was meaning more of the CONTENT rather than just the usual updates. Making it more interactive...

8 minutes ago, Rab B Nesbit said:

There’s no substitute for winning games and having entertaining players to get the crowd through the gates but if not a friendly welcome and some decent, facilities, food, programme etc goes a long way.

How can they see the decent facilities and taste the good food if they don’t even know they have a team playing in their town?! You have to get them in first...

Anyway, a programme and facilities??? Dinosaur! 🦕 :whistle

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I love a decent programme btw, but it’s not the be-all...

Personally I wouldn’t mind having no food n pishing behind old creaking stand full of supporters who FEEL part of the club and aren’t just there to pay their ticket and be judgemental about the boys on the park.

Online-wise, there is LOADS of things teams could be doing to involve the young potential support on the fringes... at the end of the day, once we’re both gone it will be the kids that will keep the club alive. If you don’t get them early, they will just find something else to do with their time

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22 minutes ago, GordonS said:

No, what he said was that the level he played, and associated with no linesmen, was tubby lads. He's saying his mistake is thinking everything above that would have linesmen.

Ok fair enough. Apologies @Poet of the Macabre I’ve picked you up wrong. 

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21 minutes ago, Spyro said:

I love a decent programme btw, but it’s not the be-all...

Personally I wouldn’t mind having no food n pishing behind old creaking stand full of supporters who FEEL part of the club and aren’t just there to pay their ticket and be judgemental about the boys on the park.

Online-wise, there is LOADS of things teams could be doing to involve the young potential support on the fringes... at the end of the day, once we’re both gone it will be the kids that will keep the club alive. If you don’t get them early, they will just find something else to do with their time

It’s all the small things that add up. 

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5 minutes ago, Rab B Nesbit said:

It’s all the small things that add up. 

Couldn’t agree more with that. My point is actually capturing the imagination of new supporters and giving them a reason to keep coming back. Long gone are the days where dads would take their boys (and girls) to their local team from a young age and ingrain the habit into them. It’s up to the clubs now to give the kids the reasons to come along, get a taste of it, excite them and hopefully create a real, loyal fan base.

Even if the team on the park are pish-poor lol

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18 hours ago, Rab B Nesbit said:

Ok fair enough. Apologies @Poet of the Macabre I’ve picked you up wrong. 

Don't worry about it. It's sometimes hard to decipher tone online.

As for winning games; it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to me if Glenrothes were outstanding or utter shite. It's my hometown club and just them being involved in the pyramid, even if it's near the bottom, is enough for me.

Loss to Tynecastle last night but they seem to be a decent side for this level. Hopefully back to winning ways against Craigroystan on Saturday.

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On 14/08/2019 at 01:02, GordonS said:

 

Like both of you, and the vast majority of football fans, I grew up watching league football. I started watching non-league less than 20 years ago after moving to Linlithgow. I remember going to a league cup group match at Broxburn, and being amazed to see the linesman in a dug-out coat and, I swear to God, smoking a pipe. It had never occured to me that anywhere above park or school football would play without linesmen. I played inter-varsity football at uni without linesmen, and was once the linesman myself, but the standard was terrible (had to be if I was playing) so it was really just an extension of school football. 

It's a shame when people get mocked for not knowing something that they couldn't really have known before experiencing it. Every day is a school day. 

Funnily enough Gordon I was at Lithgae v Whitehill weekend before last. It was a fantastic day out. Beautiful summer's afternoon and just laid on the grassbank behind the goals. Was my 4-year-old daughter's first ever football match no less and the open grass area was perfect for her to run about after her concentration span inevitably expired. Could never do this at a league game and it occurred to me that the open grounds with smaller crowds are a good place to introduce young kids to football. They aren't forced to watch the whole game and can take time out to run about rather than being stuck in a seat for nearly two hours and ending up hating it.

Not that the match lacked entertainment - six goals plus an absolute ripper from about 30 yards out in the second half was the highlight.

Toilets were immaculate too. I would say Linlithgow are doing a decent job of making new fans welcome and what is on offer there is good value for seven quid.

Haven't been to Warout but it looks not dissimilar. I think the point is clubs need to focus on the experience people actually get when they come. They're looking for something more intimate and personal compared to higher league football and a bit more relaxed in terms of moving around the stadium.

Moving to the senior leagues makes clubs more attractive -  I can say this is the main reason which got me interested in nonleague football.

My main reaction from the Linlithgow match was "why were these guys playing in a separate system at a low level for so many years?"

Anyway, Glenrothes are already benefitting from their EoS move, it appears from this thread.

 

Edited by Cameron Wilson

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Interesting to get the perspective of others who never grew up with non league. A lot of people like me grew up in the mining villages of the Lothians, Fife and Ayrshire, and the Juniors was the first thing you experienced (or even the Juveniles like Loanhead United who won the Scottish Cup in 1968). We didn't need an adult to take us along, we just went with our mates. These are you wee lads you see on the park at half time gleefully smashing the ball into the net past the wee-est laddie who always has to go in goals 🤣

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3 hours ago, Poet of the Macabre said:

Smashing 6-0 win over Craigroystan in Football Nation Cup on Saturday. Looks like they have put a good side together this season.

Really? Red card, offside goal? Then Craigroyston down to 9 due to an injury.

Not to mention Craigroyston where better with 9 men than they where with 10 and 11.

Easily could have been mid double figures if it wasnt for Craigroyston goalkeeper.

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19 hours ago, Hertz1874 said:

Really? Red card, offside goal? Then Craigroyston down to 9 due to an injury.

Not to mention Craigroyston where better with 9 men than they where with 10 and 11.

Easily could have been mid double figures if it wasnt for Craigroyston goalkeeper.

Aye, I'm sure Glens wept themselves to sleep at *only* winning 6-0.

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5 hours ago, Poet of the Macabre said:

Aye, I'm sure Glens wept themselves to sleep at *only* winning 6-0.

I'd be pissed off at that scoreline with the opponents having 9 men for 30 odd minutes.

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Well done to the Glens. So many people wrote them off the last couple of years. Since moving to the EOS they have been a breath of fresh air. A lot of hard work put in behind the scenes and it’s paying off. One of Fife’s biggest junior sides back in the day. Time for them to establish themselves again

 

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