Performance review - managers

[SandyCromarty]

2 hours ago, virginton said:

Robertson did a good job putting a team together with a credible gameplan but 'with a small budget'? Your club just burned through £800,000 of losses in the season before last. Some of your players would still be on 4-5 times the wage of a first team regular at midtable clubs. A reality check is needed here.

TK has fully explained the £800,000 posted loss.

John Robertson still doing a great job for us on a small budget.

[Poet of the Macabre]

AJ - 2/10

Crawford - 3/10 (would have been 0.5 or 1 barring the 5 straight wins)

One of the worst seasons since I started supporting the Pars in the mid 90s.

[bdu98196]

Too many ICT fans need a reality check. Robbo has done a decent job but its no exceptional season based results. We got to a SC semi having avoided any Premiership sides, we finished 3rd (just) in the league partially due to the collapse and inconsistency of others, the LC campaign was poor and overall the entertainment value and home form equally so. Robbo has 2 tasks which are to trim the budget and stabilise the club while trying to get promotion - both times we fell short finishing 5th with 57pts, this year 3rd with 56pts having lost less games but drawing significantly more - its progress of sorts and while I admit Robbo is probably the best man for the job and we would struggle to achieve more, the club certainly hasnt over-achieved.

[bdu98196]

Based on your point then, 2 or 3 clubs have spent more money - so we finish 3rd. Over-achievement - nope. Finishing exactly where we expect to be, does that make it a great season, nope and does that make Robbo an amazing manager - nope. He delivered what was expected based on what he had. We saw no overall measured improvement other than the SC run which itself is a false indication based on playing no Premiership team until we got punted out. 

As for natural level - its PT football as that's all our crowd base should support, but given the budget its not reflective of that (yet). The point is that achieving expectations does not make a great season or elevate the status of the individual - he has delivered and ICT as a club had a decent season. Plenty of worse managers in the league who could have ruined our season if we had them but its all relative IMO.

[vikingTON]

44 minutes ago, SandyCromarty said:

TK has fully explained the £800,000 posted loss.

John Robertson still doing a great job for us on a small budget.

Not when you've still had the likes of Doran, Polworth from your Premiership side playing every week he hasn't.  And Robertson could have played OFW if he wanted to and saved the costs of having another first team goalkeeper. 

Downgrading a squad from ridiculous top flight wages isn't an easy task but Inverness have still benefited from having players and a wage bill that should have got them in the play-offs.

[D'Jaffo]

Based on your point then, 2 or 3 clubs have spent more money - so we finish 3rd. Over-achievement - nope. Finishing exactly where we expect to be, does that make it a great season, nope and does that make Robbo an amazing manager - nope. He delivered what was expected based on what he had. We saw no overall measured improvement other than the SC run which itself is a false indication based on playing no Premiership team until we got punted out. 
As for natural level - its PT football as that's all our crowd base should support, but given the budget its not reflective of that (yet). The point is that achieving expectations does not make a great season or elevate the status of the individual - he has delivered and ICT as a club had a decent season. Plenty of worse managers in the league who could have ruined our season if we had them but its all relative IMO.

I would think that Partick, Ross County, Dundee Utd and maybe Dunfermline have spent more than you this season.

So yeah 3rd was probably an over-achievement.

[SandyCromarty]

And John Robertson is doing a fine job at Caley.

[Skyline Drifter]

The truth as ever is somewhere between. Robertson has done a good job at Caley. He reached a cup semi final and got them in the playoffs again whilst being a bit hamstrung in bringing in new players. Never the less, the idea that he's working on a shoestring is fanciful. He has a squad with some Premiership level players still in it and the new players he did bring in are still earning more than players at a number of full time clubs in this division.

[SandyCromarty]

2 hours ago, bdu98196 said:

Based on your point then, 2 or 3 clubs have spent more money - so we finish 3rd. Over-achievement - nope. Finishing exactly where we expect to be, does that make it a great season, nope and does that make Robbo an amazing manager - nope. He delivered what was expected based on what he had. We saw no overall measured improvement other than the SC run which itself is a false indication based on playing no Premiership team until we got punted out. 

As for natural level - its PT football as that's all our crowd base should support, but given the budget its not reflective of that (yet). The point is that achieving expectations does not make a great season or elevate the status of the individual - he has delivered and ICT as a club had a decent season. Plenty of worse managers in the league who could have ruined our season if we had them but its all relative IMO.

Nope?

Edited May 23, 2019 by SandyCromarty

[Rosscubed]

8 hours ago, Andre Bo said:

Kettlewell is a moron.

Thank you for your considered opinion. 

[frankthetank22]

3 hours ago, SandyCromarty said:

And John Robertson is doing a fine job at Caley.

I thought John Robertson was employed by Inverness caledonian thistle, caley ceased to exist many years ago. 

[SandyCromarty]

1 hour ago, frankthetank22 said:

I thought John Robertson was employed by Inverness caledonian thistle, caley ceased to exist many years ago. 

Silly boy!

[Andre Bo]

3 hours ago, Rosscubed said:

Thank you for your considered opinion. 

That's not a problem - you're welcome. Good luck with the half-wit in the Premiership. 

Edited May 23, 2019 by Andre Bo

[baillieinleeds]

Just look at his signings that are still here:

Last season:
Mark Ridgers - St. Mirren & Partick Thistle reject
Joe Chalmers - considered a total haddy, failed at Falkirk and Motherwell
Coll Donaldson - considered a total laughing stock, hated by Dundee United fans
Nathan Austin - Falkirk reject
Charlie Trafford - cheap Canadian floating around Finland and Poland

This season:
Shaun Rooney - Dunfermline & Queens reject
Tom Walsh - was part-time at Dumbarton
Jordan White - signed from the Conference
Jamie McCart - youth from Celtic
Sean Welsh - a sicknote who had been freed from Partick and Falkirk, effectively given up on
Darren McCauley - was part-time in Northern Ireland
Kevin McHattie - considered a joke at Raith, signed from Derry
Anthony McDonald - 17 year old on loan from Hearts

Add that to other ‘rejects’ such as Brad McKay, a few more experienced players like Tremarco, Polworth and Doran and Robbo has taken that side to 3rd plus a Scottish Cup Semi. Teams with far more money are doing far worse.

You are bang on the money. If any manager deserves top billing, it is Robbo. He certainly polished a few turds.

[TheScarf]

Half the league had bigger wager budgets than us.  Although it doesn't prove that 5 clubs had better squads, only 2 had, it does prove that Robbo got the most out of what he had to work with, and I commend him for that.

And has others have said, he gets the best out of average players, who were labelled a joke by fans of other clubs they've played for.  Folk on here would bite your hand off to have Robbo managing their team.

[I'm Brian]

21 hours ago, Andre Bo said:

Kettlewell is a moron.

I'm sure he'll be gutted to learn of this as he polishes his Championship winners medal

[SandyCromarty]

21 hours ago, Andre Bo said:

Kettlewell is a moron.

Now that's a bit harsh and I struggle as to why you would think that considering RC won the league beating your team three times during the season, or does the 5- 0 scoreline still rankle?

Have you thought that your team would do better with a manager as motivated as Kettlewell?

[Andre Bo]

2 hours ago, SandyCromarty said:

Now that's a bit harsh and I struggle as to why you would think that considering RC won the league beating your team three times during the season, or does the 5- 0 scoreline still rankle?

Have you thought that your team would do better with a manager as motivated as Kettlewell?

The last time I saw your team we beat them and your half-wit manager got sent off.  I'll take Hopkin any time.

[Andre Bo]

3 hours ago, I'm Brian said:

I'm sure he'll be gutted to learn of this as he polishes his Championship winners medal

I am too. 

[Rudolph Hucker]

3 hours ago, SandyCromarty said:

Now that's a bit harsh and I struggle as to why you would think that considering RC won the league beating your team three times during the season, or does the 5- 0 scoreline still rankle?

Have you thought that your team would do better with a manager as motivated as Kettlewell?

Think you’ll find that a pretty poor Morton team, with two different but alsopoor managers, managed to (deservedly) beat Ross County twice in the league last season, and in the second of those games Kettlewell made a right fanny of himself by refusing to give the ball back to Chris Millar - in the last minutes of the game and with his team a goal down. Not the best of head to head results for a team looking to survive (again) in the Premiership.

He’s not a moron - “moron” and “cretin” are terms used all too freely and inaccurately by some keyboard warriors on here -  and he did contribute to RC winning the Championship -but I think you may find next season that he simply isn’t all that good.

 

 

Oh, and we now have that motivated manager, thanks.

Edited May 24, 2019 by Rudolph Hucker