sparky88 Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Granny Danger said: There is a distinction between a political leader and a political party. They are committed to delivering Brexit, it says so in their manifesto. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crùbag Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 On 5/21/2019 at 19:17, MixuFixit said: Looking increasingly like a green vote is not going to cut it, this is average of the last 5 polls: Interesting. Would be massive if the SNP got four seats. Am not party political and have voted for two other parties as well as the SNP over the years but tomorrow, it's the SNP. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 Final YouGov Scottish subsample (usual subsample caveat applies) SNP 40%, Brexit Party 23%, Liberal Democrats 12%, Greens 9%, Labour 7%, Conservatives 7%, UKIP 2%, Change UK 1% The seats allocation on those numbers would be: SNP 3, Brexit Party 2, Liberal Democrats 1. A Green vote is looking more & more like a wasted vote on this occasion. If 7 out of 9 Green voters held their noses & voted SNP, the seats would be allocated SNP 4, Brexit 1 LibDems 1 Just sayin'... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Steele Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, lichtgilphead said: Final YouGov Scottish subsample (usual subsample caveat applies) SNP 40%, Brexit Party 23%, Liberal Democrats 12%, Greens 9%, Labour 7%, Conservatives 7%, UKIP 2%, Change UK 1% The seats allocation on those numbers would be: SNP 3, Brexit Party 2, Liberal Democrats 1. A Green vote is looking more & more like a wasted vote on this occasion. If 7 out of 9 Green voters held their noses & voted SNP, the seats would be allocated SNP 4, Brexit 1 LibDems 1 Just sayin'... This is definitely the time for Green voters to do exactly that. 4 SNP seats would be a great signal to send to Europe, it would send the UK government a clear signal of intent and,with Boris waiting in the wings, most likely start the countdown to indy. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kejan Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 Predictions for Thursday and then Sunday? SNP 33% Brexit 20% Lab 15% Tories 10% Libs 10% Greens 6% UKIP/Change/Independents - all the rest of whats left. SNP 2, Brexit 2, Lab 1, Tories/Libs 1. UKIP may well out poll Change as well! e.g 2.4% to 1.8% in Scotland. I hope I'm wrong, but have a feeling the SNP will under-perform by 3-5% of the polls, and it'll be a bit of a lackluster night for them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BucksburnDandy Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 Caught between voting Green and SNP tomorrow.Green seems to be a bit of a wasted vote on this occasion which is sad. But they are also comfortably closer to my particular views at this time.A number of things have frustrated me with the SNP recently and I'm still somewhat annoyed at centralisation of emergency services as well as frustrated about targets around climate change with not enough policies on achieving these.However, the wasted vote problem is also weighing heavily on me. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Nederlander Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 On 20/05/2019 at 14:36, John Lambies Doos said: Probably already mentioned but we won't be hearing any results until Sunday. Will there be an exit poll, or perhaps that won't be allowed? We'll just need to go by Ruth's count of the postal votes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 We'll just need to go by Ruth's count of the postal votes.No doubt Ruth will be making up stories on Twitter regarding nasty SNP nats intimidating old folk at polling stations 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Kejan said: Predictions for Thursday and then Sunday? SNP 33% Brexit 20% Lab 15% Tories 10% Libs 10% Greens 6% UKIP/Change/Independents - all the rest of whats left. SNP 2, Brexit 2, Lab 1, Tories/Libs 1. UKIP may well out poll Change as well! e.g 2.4% to 1.8% in Scotland. I hope I'm wrong, but have a feeling the SNP will under-perform by 3-5% of the polls, and it'll be a bit of a lackluster night for them. On these figures, your calculations are wrong. Seat 1 - SNP (33%) Seat 2 Brexit (20%) Seat 3 SNP (33/2 = 17.5%) Seat 4 Labour (15%) Seat 5 SNP (33/3 = 11%) Seat 6 would be 1 out of 3 of Brexit (20/2 = 10%) Con (10%) & LD (10%) I could live with that result, especially if the LD's (pro-remain) pick up the 6th seat instead of the Brexit Party or the Tories Edited May 22, 2019 by lichtgilphead missed out Labour! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kejan Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 Just now, lichtgilphead said: On these figures, your calculations are wrong. Seat 1 - SNP (33%) Seat 2 Brexit (20%) Seat 3 SNP (33/2 = 17.5%) Seat 4 Labour (15%) Seat 5 SNP (33/3 = 11%) Seat 6 would be 1 out of 3 of Brexit (20/2 = 10%) Con (10%) & LD (10%) I could live with that result, especially if the LD's (pro-remain) pick up the 6th seat instead of the Brexit Party or the Tories Thanks for doing the maths for me. It was more a rough, shitey guestimate but yes I'd most certainly take that too 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 Caught between voting Green and SNP tomorrow.Green seems to be a bit of a wasted vote on this occasion which is sad. But they are also comfortably closer to my particular views at this time.A number of things have frustrated me with the SNP recently and I'm still somewhat annoyed at centralisation of emergency services as well as frustrated about targets around climate change with not enough policies on achieving these.However, the wasted vote problem is also weighing heavily on me.I see where you are coming from but it's all about the bigger picture here. First, get ownership of the hoose and then we can decorate it to our heart's content [emoji6] 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 P45 for this fanny. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/academic-on-brexit-rally-hurls-abuse-at-remainer-vzqlvp87w 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 12 minutes ago, dirty dingus said: P45 for this fanny. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/academic-on-brexit-rally-hurls-abuse-at-remainer-vzqlvp87w I wonder if the milkshake brigade will lose their jobs also? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyderspaceman Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 Men with their faces covered were feared to be armed with milkshakes. From a certain shiny 'newspaper'. (this emoticon bears an uncanny resemblace to 'gob always open' Farage) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 This is definitely the time for Green voters to do exactly that. 4 SNP seats would be a great signal to send to Europe, it would send the UK government a clear signal of intent and,with Boris waiting in the wings, most likely start the countdown to indy.Caught between voting Green and SNP tomorrow.Green seems to be a bit of a wasted vote on this occasion which is sad. But they are also comfortably closer to my particular views at this time.A number of things have frustrated me with the SNP recently and I'm still somewhat annoyed at centralisation of emergency services as well as frustrated about targets around climate change with not enough policies on achieving these.However, the wasted vote problem is also weighing heavily on me.f**k the polls. A green vote at this time will do the job, as more people see climate change as a factor than Scottish independence (for the European parliament I mean). Definitely green for me, and anyone I can persuade to vote today. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyderspaceman Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 14 hours ago, Granny Danger said: There is a distinction between a political leader and a political party. There shouldn't be though. Should there? I don't understand Corbyn's stance. If he really believes in Socialism, which is a global movement, he should not be in favour of isolating the UK workers from their European brothers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross. Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, cyderspaceman said: There shouldn't be though. Should there? I don't understand Corbyn's stance. If he really believes in Socialism, which is a global movement, he should not be in favour of isolating the UK workers from their European brothers. The "International" or "World" part of the UK socialist movement seems to have died a very long time ago. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, cyderspaceman said: There shouldn't be though. Should there? I don't understand Corbyn's stance. If he really believes in Socialism, which is a global movement, he should not be in favour of isolating the UK workers from their European brothers. We do not (or certainly should not) have a situation where policy in any political party is dictated by one person even if that person is leader. Therefore there will always be situations where a party leader is at odds with his/her/their party on policy issues. I disagree with Corbyn on the EU but I understand where he’s coming from. He sees the EU as a pan-capitalist organisation and he’s correct to a great degree. The problem is that he fails to recognise the implications of the alternative which will be significantly worse. Socialism in one country cannot work. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyderspaceman Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 (edited) https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/paul-crowther Not too popular, zero contributions so far. eta I intend to donate, just checking to make sure it's not a brexiter trying to profit. Edited May 23, 2019 by cyderspaceman 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 21 minutes ago, cyderspaceman said: There shouldn't be though. Should there? I don't understand Corbyn's stance. If he really believes in Socialism, which is a global movement, he should not be in favour of isolating the UK workers from their European brothers. He's a national socialist m8. A real popular choice. Spoiler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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