Kuro Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 Just now, MixuFixit said: You're saying here will be no disruption associated with Scotland in the EU and England outside the EU. Have you said this to people on doorsteps? Again, you'll need to show me where I said that. I said EU accession for Scotland would be instantaneous and guaranteed, and a CTA would be agreed between Scotland and rUK immediately. These are both facts, and would go an awful long way to largely mitigating the prospective difficulties you raise. These are just facts, as are the new obstacles that the UK is putting in its own way with Brexit in the near future being a downside to continued UK membership which was not the case last time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: Yes; absolutely. They will be a condition of the trade agreement. This will inevitably do some degree of damage to both economies vs both being part of one country (as separate from damage to Scotland and England of not being in the EU). This needs to be faced and talked about honestly to convince people it is a necessary and manageable hit. Why would either country want there to be a "hit"? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuro Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 1 minute ago, MixuFixit said: OK. Every arrangement between the UK and the EU that is not remain will do damage to both economies. Do you think differently in the Scottish independence case? No, I accept there will be some downsides, but they will be considerably outweighed by the benefits, and now have to be weighed against the new downsides of continued UK membership in a way they didn't in 2014. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 Just now, MixuFixit said: They don't want there to be a hit but there will be a hit. It is about putting that hit into perspective. If no-one wants there to be a hit why would there be a hit? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfha Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 I've always voted. Have done since I was 18. Now almost 40 years later I've got to the point where if any politician/political activist/campaigner ask me for their opinion/vote, I say "yes I'll vote/agree etc with you" because I cannot now be arsed with their bullshit. Every ballot paper is now being sent back spoiled. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 Just now, MixuFixit said: Because every arrangement that is not remaining in the EU for both countries has one. This makes no sense. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuro Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: Yes! Now we're getting somewhere! This is the thing to hammer home. Yes it is, that's the crux of the whole thing. That and the 100 years of oil they just discovered west of Scotland, and the absolute bonanza of renewable energy we will enjoy in the near future. As well as the issue of immigration where the needs and wants of Scotland and rUK are diametrically opposed, and the democratic deficit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 4 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: It makes perfect sense. Nonsense. Why would either side do anything to make it more difficult to trade? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuro Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 Does anybody know how to copy a tweet in here with a video? I'd love to be able to show people it, this is the road the UK is heading down, and its very...1930's Germany. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuro Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 https://twitter.com/grahamlithgow/status/1127264689514270722 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 10 minutes ago, sfha said: I've always voted. Have done since I was 18. Now almost 40 years later I've got to the point where if any politician/political activist/campaigner ask me for their opinion/vote, I say "yes I'll vote/agree etc with you" because I cannot now be arsed with their bullshit. Every ballot paper is now being sent back spoiled. It's a shame that you've reverted to a sulky unconfident teenager. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuro Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 Watch that video /\ Wow is all I can say. Demented old bigots dictating the narrative now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuro Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 Just now, MixuFixit said: If you're on a desktop just copy the link from twitter and P&B does the rest, if you're on a phone you need to go to 'embed' tweet and then copy and paste the code it generates. I posted the link but would like the video on here so people could just watch without clicking https://twitter.com/grahamlithgow/status/1127264689514270722 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuro Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 Just now, MixuFixit said: Sorted. Adding her to my 2020 deadpool I think. Good lad thanks very much. Isn't that terrifying? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: Why do you assume "tariff and non-tariff" conditions? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuro Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 Brilliant article too, along similar lines https://mylifeasgraham.blog/2019/04/06/mark-francois-and-the-celebration-of-stupidity/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: Think of it as shorthand for 'things that will impede trade compared to there not being those impediments' Things can only impede trade if they exist. Why would they exist when no-one wants them to? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuro Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 Just now, Tibbermoresaint said: Things can only impede trade if they exist. Why would they exist when no-one wants them to? Some things are unavoidable, there is no doubt there will be impediments to trade between the UK and the EU that don't exist just now. That's the whole point of being in a trading block so there are none. Its not possible to have completely frictionless trade from outwith the EU. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfha Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 1 minute ago, welshbairn said: It's a shame that you've reverted to a sulky unconfident teenager. Politicians are not listening to anyone but their own chattering classes, they always did but even more so now. They are so far removed from what the public want. They are now getting yet another recess in the midst of the biggest constitutional crisis this country is facing in decades. The mind boggles, I'm not a sulking teenager, I don't remember ever being one, I just got on with the job. But not one of them is worthy of my vote. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuro Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 1 minute ago, sfha said: Politicians are not listening to anyone but their own chattering classes, they always did but even more so now. They are so far removed from what the public want. They are now getting yet another recess in the midst of the biggest constitutional crisis this country is facing in decades. The mind boggles, I'm not a sulking teenager, I don't remember ever being one, I just got on with the job. But not one of them is worthy of my vote. I don't think that accusation can be fairly levelled at the SNP, WM parties sure, SNP no. You should give them or the Greens a look. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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