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A postive case for the union

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4 minutes ago, jamieson87 said:

If there was a decent, competent government in power, I'd argue for the union. 

 

But there has never been and Scotland is always a mere after thought with them the people not the resources the resources are at the top off there agenda and how to hold on to them for longer

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12 minutes ago, jamieson87 said:

If there was a decent, competent government in power, I'd argue for the union.

Why would you rather have a decent, competent government in power from London, when you can have one much closer to home?

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19 minutes ago, jamieson87 said:

If there was a decent, competent government in power, I'd argue for the union. 

 

 

Can you highlight a period when there was one?

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1 minute ago, ICTJohnboy said:

 

Can you highlight a period when there was one?

What I am wanting to know to I am going on 43

Only decent goverments been in Scotland but they could be better to if they had real powers off a Indy country the way it should be

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Unless you accept "Eh, because, eh?" as a positive case, I don't think you're going to get one.

But it seriously baffles me why it isn't a 100% open and shut case no matter your politics.

Left: No more perma-right wing government

Right: Standing on your own two feet and not accepting subsidies (:lol:) is quite literally your bag

Centrists: A country of just 5.5 million will be ripping the piss out of you instead of a "country" of 66 million

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The Unholy Trinity of reasons-

Rangers FC.
"Lose ma pension".
Shat it.

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4 minutes ago, Cerberus said:

The Unholy Trinity of reasons-

Rangers FC.
"Lose ma pension".
Shat it.

Take my football team out off it please

I find that highly offensive 

 

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Take my football team out off it please
I find that highly offensive 
 
U ok ***?

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40 minutes ago, jupe1407 said:
59 minutes ago, Tartan Tammy 1297 said:
Take my football team out off it please
I find that highly offensive 
 

U ok ***?

Just dont like Rangers getting used as the punching bag again

When most off us clearly voted yes unlike the rest off Scotland accept for Dundee

Edited by Tartan Tammy 1297
Clarity

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Queen and country.

The Dunkirk Spirit.

Project Fear reversed - the currency, pensions etc  are great in the UK apparently

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Orange Marches

England games on terrestrial TV

The Jingoism of the proms, celebrating nuclear bombs, covering up for peados, offshoring, stealing from the public...all the good shit.

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Anybody got any good arguments to stay in the union
Or can they tell me why Scotland can not be a successful Independent country?
 

Aye, you being behind independence has put me right off the idea. I was a member of the SNP & often contributed to the YES cause outwith the SNP. These days are now past & im staunch as f**k now.

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There isn't a good case for allowing  another country to govern you.  

The fundamental way I explain to people.from elsewhere is take france, America, any country you want.  Regardless of whether you agree with their policies or not, every country in the world has a government every single time that does what it believes to.be.in the best interests of that country.

As part of the UK Scotland has never had that for even one day and never could, and we actually have governments who very often do things they know to be damaging to Scotland, but because they benefit another country they do them anyway.

I fundamentally believe two things - Scotland deserves to be governed by people for whom what's best for Scotland is their overriding priority, and any Scottish government would govern Scotland better than any government from another country for whom we're an afterthought and nuisance.

Edited by Kuro

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There really isn't one. There isn't even the illusion of maintaining the status quo, because British politics is such a clusterfuck that there really isn't a "status quo" to be maintained and things are only going to get worse.

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I'm a nationalist so I'll have a shot as devil's advocate.

The nations that make up the UK share a long history which has weaved our cultures and peoples together which has led to us playing a major role in the technological, cultural, industrial progress of the world. We're admired all over the world for our ingenuity, independence and adaptability, and it would be a great sadness for Scotland to leave this union and diminish both our legacy and our world standing. As a union we've been a balancing force in world geopolitics, having worked to curtail the tyrannical ambitions of Napoleon, Wilhelm and Hitler. We live in an unprecedentedly peaceful time, and have through the pain endured by generations of Britons before us, earned this reward. We are world leaders in so many fields of science, and our children travel from each others nations to study and share knowledge and become the innovators of tomorrow. Our power now is of this type rather than military power, and we're able to use this in so many positive ways around the world as a united kingdom. We are Isaac Newton and we are James Clerk Maxwell. We are Philip Larkin and we are Norman MacCaig. We are Nigel Kennedy and we are Evelyn Glennie.

Something like that, I guess?

 

 

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