2019/20 Scottish Cup

[FairWeatherFan]

1 minute ago, Burnie_man said:

Who enters at round 1, Bonnyrigg or Whitehill Welfare?

Kelty and Edusport were all in Round One when they were promoted. So don't see why Bonnyrigg wouldn't be this time.

[Ginaro]

4 minutes ago, Burnie_man said:

Who enters at round 1, Bonnyrigg or Whitehill Welfare?

Bonnyrigg as they are in the LL (like Kelty last year). Unless they change the format to remove PR1/2 of course.

Edited June 14, 2019 by Ginaro

[parsforlife]

UEFA hands out fines every time that rule is violated. In England they couldn't care less about it as the money any premier league game that's live on TV brings in is a multiple of the costs of the fine. In Scotland that's not exactly the case and the fine would hit much harder...

Any idea on the fine amounts? Uefa fines are nearly always minimal and as long as they amount to less than the tv payment then go ahead and pay them.

Regardless removing a positive from our game because we’ll bend over to some bullshit rule designed purely to protect a competition for the elite clubs that only benefits 1 Scottish club opening the gap between them and the rest and gives a small % of clubs some scraps that open the gap from the premiership to championship sounds horrific. We can’t show replays on TV provides absolutely no justification.

[Marten]

If the byes for a few HL/LL/Championship clubs get removed so all teams in those divisions start at the same round, there will be 60 clubs in round 1. That's 17 HL, 16 LL and 27 "others", which would fit absolutely perfectly.

[parsforlife]

If the byes for a few HL/LL/Championship clubs get removed so all teams in those divisions start at the same round, there will be 60 clubs in round 1. That's 17 HL, 16 LL and 27 "others", which would fit absolutely perfectly.

Do it, do it now.

[Hughsie]

46 minutes ago, parsforlife said:

 

Do it, do it now.

 

Won’t be this season as the AGM has come and gone with no change to the rule that dictates that within the format.

[Burnie_man]

19 minutes ago, Hughsie said:

Won’t be this season as the AGM has come and gone with no change to the rule that dictates that within the format.

Didn't you say yesterday that the Board made these decisions on format?

[Hughsie]

7 minutes ago, Burnie_man said:

Didn't you say yesterday that the Board made these decisions on format?

The format goes to the Board for approval but the format can only be set within the competition rules approved at the AGM. The placement of HL/LL winners and runners up is set by the competition rules.

[Burnie_man]

2 minutes ago, Hughsie said:

The format goes to the Board for approval but the format can only be set within the competition rules approved at the AGM. The placement of HL/LL winners and runners up is set by the competition rules.

OK fair enough, pity as it would seem we could have had a cracking Round 1 start next season but instead have two Prelims.

[HibeeJibee]

9 hours ago, craigkillie said:

Probably because they can't show replays live on TV due to the UEFA schedules, and therefore you often have decisive games going ahead untelevised. Can't imagine sponsors particularly like that.

Scottish Cup R4 replays fall in January long before European ties restart. In some seasons R5 replays fall the week before they restart, or R6 replays fall on a domestic midweek between. Idea that occasionally not being able to televise R5/R6 replays would justify abolishing all replays would be bizarre... you just don't televise it, or alternatively you rejig dates so they always fall OK or at least you have space to schedule a replay differently (it is becoming more common to not wait 10 days anyway: and that would permanently avoid the issue in R5 without any rejig). Clearly it would provide no justification whatsoever to abolish replays before R5, either.

In any case - do a meaningful number of people choose not to attend nor watch a tie, on the off-chance it might go to a replay; but they would if there were no replays? Sounds doubtful...
 

5 hours ago, Burnie_man said:

Who enters at round 1, Bonnyrigg or Whitehill Welfare?

Bonnyrigg.

Rulebook simply says that 36 clubs play in R1... all HL & LL clubs enter in R1, except the top 2s (and anyone relegated from SPFL2)... and that the preliminaries are arranged such as to get 36 clubs. Whitehill will accordingly enter at the preliminaries.

[HibeeJibee]

On ‎19‎/‎05‎/‎2019 at 21:25, HibeeJibee said:

Second Round (32)
- 18 winners from R1
- Albion Rovers, Annan, Brechin, Cove, Edinburgh City, Elgin, Cowdenbeath, Queen's Park, Stenhousemuir, Stirling Albion (10)
- BSCG, Berwick, East Kilbride (3)
- Brora (1)

Third Round (32)
- Alloa, Arbroath, Dunfermline, Morton, Partick, Queen of the South (6)
- Airdrie, Clyde, Dumbarton, East Fife, Falkirk, Forfar, Peterhead, Raith, Stranraer, Montrose (10)

Fourth Round (32)
- Aberdeen, Celtic, Hamilton, Hearts, Hibs, Kilmarnock, Livingston, Motherwell, Rangers, Ross County, St Johnstone, Dundee Utd/St Mirren (12)
- Ayr, Dundee, Inverness, Dundee Utd/St Mirren (4)

Early rounds:

First Preliminary Round (27)
- 1 club not marked (Q) receives random bye
EOS League (16) - Blackburn, Broxburn, Camelon [Q], Dundonald, Hill of Beath, Jeanfield, Linlithgow, Penicuik, Whitehill, Burntisland, Coldstream, Easthouses, Hawick, LTHV, Preston, Tynecastle
SOS League (4) - Newton Stewart, St Cuthbert, Threave, Wigtown
North Caledonian (1) - Golspie
North Juniors (1) - Banks o'Dee
East Juniors (1) - Lochee [Q]
West Juniors (2) - Auchinleck [Q], Girvan
Amateurs (2) - Colville [Q], Glasgow University

Second Preliminary Round (14)
- 13 winners from PR1
- 1 bye from PR1

First Round (36)
- 7 winners from PR2
Lowland League (13) - Civil Service, Cumbernauld, Dalbeattie, East Stirlingshire, Edinburgh University, Edusport, Gala, Gretna, Kelty, Spartans, University of Stirling, Vale of Leithen, Bonnyrigg/Whitehill
Highland League (16) - Buckie, Clachnacuddin, Deveronvale, Formartine, Forres, Fort William, Fraserburgh, Huntly, Inverurie, Lossiemouth, Keith, Nairn, Rothes, Strathspey, Turriff, Wick

[Robert James]

On 19/05/2019 at 21:25, HibeeJibee said:

I think you're slightly awry HL/LL-wise.

If we assume no format alteration... and tbh I wouldn't expect any given how the authorities at Hampden have been disposed toward matters recently... and Largs not beating Auchinleck next Sunday, and Banks o'Dee not joining the Highland League for next season - tournament would look like this:


First Preliminary Round (25 - 3 receive random byes)
- Blackburn, Broxburn, Camelon [Q], Hill of Beath, Linlithgow, Penicuik, Bonnyrigg [Q]/Whitehill (7)
- Newton Stewart, St Cuthbert, Threave, Wigtown (4)
- Burntisland, Coldstream, Easthouses, Hawick, LTHV, Preston, Tynecastle (7)
- Golspie (1)
- Banks o'Dee (1)
- Lochee [Q] (1)
- Auchinleck [Q], Girvan (2)
- Colville/Eastfield [Q], Glasgow University (2)
[3 clubs not marked (Q) receive random byes]

Second Preliminary Round (14)
- 11 winners from PR1
- 3 byes from PR1

First Round (36)
- 7 winners from PR2
- Civil Service, Cumbernauld, Dalbeattie, East Stirlingshire, Edinburgh University, Edusport, Gala, Gretna, Kelty, Spartans, University of Stirling, Vale of Leithen, Bonnyrigg/Whitehill (13)
- Buckie, Clachnacuddin, Deveronvale, Formartine, Forres, Fort William, Fraserburgh, Huntly, Inverurie, Lossiemouth, Keith, Nairn, Rothes, Strathspey, Turriff, Wick (16)

Second Round (32)
- 18 winners from R1
- Albion Rovers, Annan, Brechin, Cove, Edinburgh City, Elgin, Cowdenbeath, Queen's Park, Stenhousemuir, Stirling Albion (10)
- BSCG, Berwick, East Kilbride (3)
- Brora (1)

Third Round (32)
- Alloa, Arbroath, Dunfermline, Morton, Partick, Queen of the South (6)
- Airdrie, Clyde, Dumbarton, East Fife, Falkirk, Forfar, Peterhead, Raith, Stranraer, Montrose (10)

Fourth Round (32)
- Aberdeen, Celtic, Hamilton, Hearts, Hibs, Kilmarnock, Livingston, Motherwell, Rangers, Ross County, St Johnstone, Dundee Utd/St Mirren (12)
- Ayr, Dundee, Inverness, Dundee Utd/St Mirren (4)

 

 Dundonald, Jeanfield to be added, but will there be any newly licensed clubs (Dunipace keep getting a mention ?) before the Scottish Cup draw ?.

Edited June 16, 2019 by Robert James
typo error

[Ranaldo Bairn]

7 minutes ago, Robert James said:

 

Unless I am mistaken, you have forgotten to include Glasgow University.

You are mistaken.

[Robert James]

2 minutes ago, Ranaldo Bairn said:

You are mistaken.

Apologies, posted in error before i had completed the post.

[Robert James]

On 14/06/2019 at 17:39, parsforlife said:

 

Do it, do it now.

 

Sounds attractive and logical.  But with more increases in licensed clubs expected before 2020/21, your proposal would mean reinstating one or two Preliminary Rounds to cater for the anticipated higher number of SFA Membership clubs. 

The SFA may have taken this into consideration, and is playing a wait and see policy, ahead of next year ?

[FairWeatherFan]

On 14/06/2019 at 20:53, HibeeJibee said:

Early rounds:

First Preliminary Round (27)
- 1 club not marked (Q) receives random bye
EOS League (16) - Blackburn, Broxburn, Camelon [Q], Dundonald, Hill of Beath, Jeanfield, Linlithgow, Penicuik, Whitehill, Burntisland, Coldstream, Easthouses, Hawick, LTHV, Preston, Tynecastle
SOS League (4) - Newton Stewart, St Cuthbert, Threave, Wigtown
North Caledonian (1) - Golspie
North Juniors (1) - Banks o'Dee
East Juniors (1) - Lochee [Q]
West Juniors (2) - Auchinleck [Q], Girvan
Amateurs (2) - Colville [Q], Glasgow University

Second Preliminary Round (14)
- 13 winners from PR1
- 1 bye from PR1

First Round (36)
- 7 winners from PR2
Lowland League (13) - Civil Service, Cumbernauld, Dalbeattie, East Stirlingshire, Edinburgh University, Edusport, Gala, Gretna, Kelty, Spartans, University of Stirling, Vale of Leithen, Bonnyrigg/Whitehill
Highland League (16) - Buckie, Clachnacuddin, Deveronvale, Formartine, Forres, Fort William, Fraserburgh, Huntly, Inverurie, Lossiemouth, Keith, Nairn, Rothes, Strathspey, Turriff, Wick

 

19 minutes ago, Robert James said:

 

 Dundonald, Jeanfield to be added, but will there be any newly licensed clubs (Dunipace keep getting a mention ?) before the Scottish Cup draw ?.

It was already updated to include Bonnyrigg, Dundonald and Jeanfield when they had their licenses announced. Dunipace haven't even begun the application process for licensing yet. This is it for 2019-20.

[Robert James]

1 minute ago, FairWeatherFan said:

 

It was already updated to include Bonnyrigg, Dundonald and Jeanfield when they had their licenses announced. Dunipace haven't even begun the application process for licensing yet. This is it for 2019-20.

Thanks for confirming that there will not be another late licensing approval (eg LTHV in 2018) this year. We can now look forward to the Cup Draw, whenever that is? 

[FairWeatherFan]

3 minutes ago, Robert James said:

Thanks for confirming that there will not be another late licensing approval (eg LTHV in 2018) this year. We can now look forward to the Cup Draw, whenever that is? 

LTHV were not a late addition. They were just given the official presentation in August. It was known they were licensed in advance of the 2018 EoS AGM which is why they were not included in the Alex Jack Cup draw for 2018-19.

[HibeeJibee]

There will be 102 sides in this season's competition. This must be the first occasion it's broken 100 in a very long time (perhaps even since Victorian times)?

When were there last so many?

[craigkillie]

On 22/06/2019 at 16:32, HibeeJibee said:

There will be 102 sides in this season's competition. This must be the first occasion it's broken 100 in a very long time (perhaps even since Victorian times)?

When were there last so many?

I think the last time there were over 100 clubs was back in 1894/95 - the following season the Scottish Qualifying Cup was introduced. The Qualifying Cup(s) remained in place* until 2006/07, and limited the number non-league entrants to 8.

*There was a brief three year hiatus in the 1950s where the tournament was "all-in" like it is now, but only 76/77 clubs entered as far as I can see.

Edited June 23, 2019 by craigkillie