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Assuming no changes to the format, with Cove going up it means round 1 will contain:- 15 HL, 14 LL and 7 from the preliminary rounds (36 teams)? If Auchinleck win the Junior Cup then it'll be 3 byes and 11 fixtures in PR1 (otherwise 2 byes and 12 fixtures)?

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I think you're slightly awry HL/LL-wise.

If we assume no format alteration... and tbh I wouldn't expect any given how the authorities at Hampden have been disposed toward matters recently... and Largs not beating Auchinleck next Sunday, and Banks o'Dee not joining the Highland League for next season - tournament would look like this:


First Preliminary Round (25 - 3 receive random byes)
- Blackburn, Broxburn, Camelon [Q], Hill of Beath, Linlithgow, Penicuik, Bonnyrigg [Q]/Whitehill (7)
- Newton Stewart, St Cuthbert, Threave, Wigtown (4)
- Burntisland, Coldstream, Easthouses, Hawick, LTHV, Preston, Tynecastle (7)
- Golspie (1)
- Banks o'Dee (1)
- Lochee [Q] (1)
- Auchinleck [Q], Girvan (2)
- Colville/Eastfield [Q], Glasgow University (2)
[3 clubs not marked (Q) receive random byes]

Second Preliminary Round (14)
- 11 winners from PR1
- 3 byes from PR1

First Round (36)
- 7 winners from PR2
- Civil Service, Cumbernauld, Dalbeattie, East Stirlingshire, Edinburgh University, Edusport, Gala, Gretna, Kelty, Spartans, University of Stirling, Vale of Leithen, Bonnyrigg/Whitehill (13)
- Buckie, Clachnacuddin, Deveronvale, Formartine, Forres, Fort William, Fraserburgh, Huntly, Inverurie, Lossiemouth, Keith, Nairn, Rothes, Strathspey, Turriff, Wick (16)

Second Round (32)
- 18 winners from R1
- Albion Rovers, Annan, Brechin, Cove, Edinburgh City, Elgin, Cowdenbeath, Queen's Park, Stenhousemuir, Stirling Albion (10)
- BSCG, Berwick, East Kilbride (3)
- Brora (1)

Third Round (32)
- Alloa, Arbroath, Dunfermline, Morton, Partick, Queen of the South (6)
- Airdrie, Clyde, Dumbarton, East Fife, Falkirk, Forfar, Peterhead, Raith, Stranraer, Montrose (10)

Fourth Round (32)
- Aberdeen, Celtic, Hamilton, Hearts, Hibs, Kilmarnock, Livingston, Motherwell, Rangers, Ross County, St Johnstone, Dundee Utd/St Mirren (12)
- Ayr, Dundee, Inverness, Dundee Utd/St Mirren (4)

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4 minutes ago, HibeeJibee said:

I think you're slightly awry HL/LL-wise.

Ah yes, got those numbers wrong but the total of 29 HL/LL was right - an extra club from PR2 being the main difference, handy given the amount of new clubs in the cup.

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4 minutes ago, Ginaro said:

Ah yes, got those numbers wrong but the total of 29 HL/LL was right - an extra club from PR2 being the main difference, handy given the amount of new clubs in the cup.

Correct... if BoD joined HL they'd enter R1: leaving 24 clubs in PR1 (no byes) > 12 to PR2 > 6 to R1.

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12 minutes ago, HibeeJibee said:

Correct... if BoD joined HL they'd enter R1: leaving 24 clubs in PR1 (no byes) > 12 to PR2 > 6 to R1.

So if BoD joined HL and Largs won the Junior Cup either a rule change or an extra Preliminary Round would be required?

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1 minute ago, ShrimpLok said:

So

if BoD joined HL

and

Largs won the Junior Cup

either a rule change or an extra Preliminary Round would be required?

Correct.

In this unlikely scenario - and again assuming no format alterations - 2 clubs would have to play an extra preliminary (I suppose 'PR1' with others becoming 'PR2' + 'PR3'), presumably in late July.

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7 minutes ago, HibeeJibee said:

Correct.

In this unlikely scenario - and again assuming no format alterations - 2 clubs would have to play an extra preliminary (I suppose 'PR1' with others becoming 'PR2' + 'PR3'), presumably in late July.

Thanks. Does seem unlikely this year but SFA are going to have to think about changes for 2020-21 to cope with the additional licensed clubs.

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All this forgetting that SFA-SPFL is about preventing competition ... not to encourage it ... thus we have all these prelim rounds ... and few places available in later rounds, because of the unfair preferential treatment of some `members` over others ... ie SPFL over everyone else ... regardless who got beat by Auchinleck or anyone else. It is a complete sham ... and only brings football into disrepute ...

just like the SPFL, Lowland, Highland system ... we need competition in this country ... and these clubs will make sure we don`t get it ..

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With the final chance to qualify as a full member being at the June board meeting (Dundonald likely now they have floodlights), how many more spaces do the SFA have to play with before they need to change the format? 

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3 minutes ago, Burnie_man said:

Don't get all technical on me emoji23.png

OK let's say only 4 Junior clubs in next seasons comp.

Correct :smartass.
 

2 minutes ago, Ginaro said:

With the final chance to qualify as a full member being at the June board meeting (Dundonald likely now they have floodlights), how many more spaces do the SFA have to play with before they need to change the format? 

To mop-up previous points: BoD aren't joining HL, so you've got 25 clubs in PR1, of which 20 are eligible for 3 random byes to PR2.

Alternatively upto 3 more clubs could come in.

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5 hours ago, Shanner said:

When are the dates for the matches usually announced? 

Now.

HL fixture-list included:

PR1
PR2
R1          Saturday 21st September
R2          Saturday 19th October
R3          Saturday 23rd November
R4          Saturday 18th January
R5
R6
SFs
Final     Saturday 9th May

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36 minutes ago, HibeeJibee said:

Now.

HL fixture-list included:

Final     Saturday 9th May

Surely not? That's a week before the Premiership ends, and there's no apparent reason for it to be played that early - not even Euro 2020, because the Champions League Final is Saturday 30th May, and the FA Cup final is Saturday 23rd May (so presumably no issues with Hampden needing to be "released" to UEFA).

I'll be astonished if it's not Saturday 23rd May. 

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54 minutes ago, HibeeJibee said:

Now.

HL fixture-list included:

PR1
PR2
R1          Saturday 21st September
R2          Saturday 19th October
R3          Saturday 23rd November
R4          Saturday 18th January
R5
R6
SFs
Final     Saturday 9th May

much obliged mr jibee.

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3 hours ago, The Master said:

Surely not? That's a week before the Premiership ends, and there's no apparent reason for it to be played that early - not even Euro 2020, because the Champions League Final is Saturday 30th May, and the FA Cup final is Saturday 23rd May (so presumably no issues with Hampden needing to be "released" to UEFA).

I'll be astonished if it's not Saturday 23rd May. 

Prepare to be astonished then.

The fixture skeleton I've seen has the round dates as: 

PR1
PR2
R1         Saturday 21st September
R2         Saturday 19th October
R3         Saturday 23rd November
R4         Saturday 18th January
R5         Saturday 8th February
R6         Saturday 29th February
SFs       Saturday 11th/Sunday 12th April
Final    Saturday 9th May

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