St Mirren v Accies: Monday Night Madness

[Im_Rodger 545]

So fucking predictable.

Always bottle it when the fans show in numbers.

[glenburn bud 1,532]

From my seat in W1 West stand it looked like the Accies lad just smashed Gary Mac with an elbow. 

I haven't seen it back yet so I’ll be interested to see if Collum bottled it or got it correct.

I thought we pretty much pounded Accies second half, with some good patient play.  It looked like we were going to have one of those nights when we just couldn’t get the goal. But Flynn and Cooke made the difference as we made the extra man count.

McAlister took his goal superbly well, and Kyle Magennis has a touch of real class. Two of our own academy boys.

All roads lead to Dens   

[Paul Cicero 88]

Dougie Imries maws a mattress.

[Biscuits 483]

From my seat in W1 West stand it looked like the Accies lad just smashed Gary Mac with an elbow. 
I haven't seen it back yet so I’ll be interested to see if Collum bottled it or got it correct.
I thought we pretty much pounded Accies second half, with some good patient play.  It looked like we were going to have one of those nights when we just couldn’t get the goal. But Flynn and Cooke made the difference as we made the extra man count.
McAlister took his goal superbly well, and Kyle Magennis has a touch of real class. Two of our own academy boys.
All roads lead to Dens   

Was more a shoulder than an elbow but I still reckon it was deliberate and he knew exactly what he was doing. Should’ve been a red.

[Coventry Saint 5,580]

1 hour ago, Biscuits said:

 

Was more a shoulder than an elbow but I still reckon it was deliberate and he knew exactly what he was doing. Should’ve been a red.

 

The intent to leave his shoulder where it was would be all but impossible to prove in real time, and nearly impossible with VAR. 

In my opinion he definitely stiffened up to meet Mack's head, and the intent was worthy of a red, but in reality it would never happen because it looked so accidental.

 

I'm hoping last night was pretty attritional for Accies and that they'll be knackered for Saturday. 

[DXBBud 23]

7 hours ago, glenburn bud said:

From my seat in W1 West stand it looked like the Accies lad just smashed Gary Mac with an elbow. 

I haven't seen it back yet so I’ll be interested to see if Collum bottled it or got it correct.

I thought we pretty much pounded Accies second half, with some good patient play.  It looked like we were going to have one of those nights when we just couldn’t get the goal. But Flynn and Cooke made the difference as we made the extra man count.

McAlister took his goal superbly well, and Kyle Magennis has a touch of real class. Two of our own academy boys.

All roads lead to Dens   

TV pictures were clear, McCoist & Stewart were adamant no foul or no intent at the time, but then both back-tracked at half-time and agreed it should also have been red. The Hamilton thug clearly put his shoulder into McKenzie's forehead after making no attempt to get the ball.

Collum bottled that decision and got a few others totally wrong. All the talk about things "evening out across the season" and him being held up as one of our best referees is absolutely laughable and speaks volumes about the standard of officiating in Scottish football.

Edited May 14 by DXBBud

[buddie06smfc 1,116]

Last night was how we should’ve been setting up all season. First half was thoroughly enjoyable with all the incidents.
Second half we finally managed what other teams do to us when we go down to 10 men.
It is a complete mystery how no.99 never got, at least, a booking before going off. His foul count almost summed to his shirt number. The guy Hamilton took off in the midfield following the red card looked the one most up for it & one that was prepared to pick a pass out. I think Rice made a mistake with that one.

[FuzzyBear 37]

37 minutes ago, DXBBud said:

TV pictures were clear, McCoist & Stewart were adamant no foul or no intent at the time, but then both back-tracked at half-time and agreed it should also have been red. The Hamilton thug clearly put his shoulder into McKenzie's forehead after making no attempt to get the ball.

Collum bottled that decision and got a few others totally wrong. All the talk about things "evening out across the season" and him being held up as one of our best referees is absolutely laughable and speaks volumes about the standard of officiating in Scottish football.

I thought Collum got so many things wrong last night. He gave fouls when there were none and let other fouls go. There was one in 2nd half when he gave Accies a goal kick when even from 100+yards away we could all see it should have been a St Mirren corner.

With the big decisions he got the Gogic one right. Mullen should have gone as well and that is a game changing decision at that stage of the game. Not sure about the Ogmpoe one, couldn't see it properly at the game but after seeing the highlights I don think he could have complained if he had got a red.

[GAD 1,381]

Was the Mullen one really bad then? Our threshold for retrospective punishment has been a lot lower than most other teams this season so should we be expecting him to miss Saturday and the first leg of the play-off?

[FuzzyBear 37]

16 minutes ago, GAD said:

Was the Mullen one really bad then? Our threshold for retrospective punishment has been a lot lower than most other teams this season so should we be expecting him to miss Saturday and the first leg of the play-off?

It didn't look bad at the game but looks really poor on the highlights - I wouldn't be at all surprised if he got a ban.

[geo87 331]

Was the Mullen one really bad then? Our threshold for retrospective punishment has been a lot lower than most other teams this season so should we be expecting him to miss Saturday and the first leg of the play-off?

Definitely a poor challenge and lucky not to be a red. Genuinely dint think he meant it though for what it’s worth, shite touch and tried to recover from it.

Because collum seen it at the time - can you still be retrospective punished? That goes for the 2 other Hamilton decisions as well

[Ross. 3,105]

Watched the second half last night and it was tremendously entertaining. 

[Arch Stanton 2,218]

Highlights

[Arch Stanton 2,218]

Because collum seen it at the time - can you still be retrospective punished? That goes for the 2 other Hamilton decisions as well

Greg Tansey will tell you, yes, that can happen.

Possibly only if DickheadMoaner tweets about it though.

[djchapsticks 7,793]

36 minutes ago, GAD said:

Was the Mullen one really bad then? Our threshold for retrospective punishment has been a lot lower than most other teams this season so should we be expecting him to miss Saturday and the first leg of the play-off?

Aye it was naughty all right, he knew what he was doing and was very, very lucky to receive no reproach. 

Much like Ogmpoe knew what he was doing with the Gary Mac one. He was clever that he made no discernable movement of arms towards McKenzie but the replay clearly shows that shoulder flicked inwards just at the very last second. 

[houston_bud 568]

I don't think Mullen's is as bad as some people are making out. I don't think there was any intent, he puts his foot up but I reckon it's more to block the ball. He catches the boy on the shin with his studs but there's no real force behind it. You see red cards for it, but I think he would have been unlucky.  Fair play to Ziggy Gordon for just getting up and on with it.

Same for Ogkmpoe, he's late and has caught Mackenzie but I don't think he's deliberately tried to clatter his head. 

Two yellows for me.

Who was the Hamilton player in the first two minutes who went right through Mullen (I think it was Mullen). That was a dreadful challenge right over the ball. As clear a yellow as you'll see. Collum waved play on. That set the tone for the night. 

[yummy fur 18]

1 hour ago, DXBBud said:

TV pictures were clear, McCoist & Stewart were adamant no foul or no intent at the time, but then both back-tracked at half-time and agreed it should also have been red. The Hamilton thug clearly put his shoulder into McKenzie's forehead after making no attempt to get the ball.

Collum bottled that decision and got a few others totally wrong. All the talk about things "evening out across the season" and him being held up as one of our best referees is absolutely laughable and speaks volumes about the standard of officiating in Scottish football.

Horrible game to referee, played at pace with a combination of players leaving their foot in at every opportunity while hitting the ground all too easily with minimal contact (both teams). On the big decisions I listened to Sportsound on the way home where there seemed to be an agreement that Gogic should have seen yellow so I went home and watched the incident back ready to be disgusted by the injustice - red card all day long! For me Mullen's was a clear red card but the BT Studio ref bizarrely thought yellow, no doubt either way that Ziggy's honesty in not making the most of it may of saved Mullen from punishment. The Ogkmpoe incident was the most difficult to call, I've watched the incident a few times and still can't make my mind up either way whether he left the shoulder in deliberately or was trying to pull out the challenge and caught him accidentally.  

No complaints about Accies effort with McGowan and the underrated McMann both excellent but generally far too passive before and after the sending off.  Rice's substitutions were questionable and as much as he talks effortlessly about giving youth a chance etc...…. withdrawing the impressive Minmaugh and then bringing on Imrie rather than Lewis Smith when we were desperate for pace and energy in the last 10 minutes contradicts the youth mantra.

So onto Saturday and not full of confidence although (foolishly) I don't think it's impossible that we could lose and still avoid the play offs.

 

[Jacksgranda 6,517]

Doesn't look like Coleraine are getting Oran Kearney back any time soon. And boy, could we be doing with him back at The Showgrounds!

[Paul Cicero 88]

9 hours ago, Im_Rodger said:

So fucking predictable.

Always bottle it when the fans show in numbers.

 

[sergie's no1 fan 3,177]

Stephen McGinn though. What a stunning performance. Pulled the strings, controlled the whole game. Don't think he gave the ball away once.