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Dundee's Next Permanent Manager

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Would be surprised if it was not Jim Goodwin. Knows what is required in the championship. Born leader who can get the best out of his players as such can get you back where you belong quickly. 


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4 hours ago, G_Man1985 said:
4 hours ago, johnnydun said:
Aye the Championship was his level.

Aye a top 6 finish wasnt a good season... many times can you count in your life time this has happened ? Yet Hartley managed this :-)

He peaked G, then was on course to have us hurtling back down to the Championship.

7 times in my lifetime. Utterly pathetic.

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He peaked G, then was on course to have us hurtling back down to the Championship.
7 times in my lifetime. Utterly pathetic.
33 years of my life and it's been some rollercoaster. Suppose lucky we are still a club with the amount of cowboys have ran our club. He did peak but nobody in 10 years could get us out the league but he did first time of asking? He couldn't of been all that bad .

Potentially first time I'm not getting season ticket in 32 years. Old boy got me one just because he could and I suppose in life I carried it on but it's so expensive now and with way things are going it's just going to keep getting dearer.

Its nae good

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4 minutes ago, G_Man1985 said:

33 years of my life and it's been some rollercoaster. Suppose lucky we are still a club with the amount of cowboys have ran our club. He did peak but nobody in 10 years could get us out the league but he did first time of asking? He couldn't of been all that bad .

Potentially first time I'm not getting season ticket in 32 years. Old boy got me one just because he could and I suppose in life I carried it on but it's so expensive now and with way things are going it's just going to keep getting dearer.

Its nae good

No, you are right, it was a good attempt by Hartley to have a bit af stability but the task was just too much for him.

It is a sad state of affairs we always find ourselves in. The past 30+ years we have had right dodgers of chairmen. Now we have chairmen with the right goals and steady backing, we have had nothing but dodgers of managers.

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No, you are right, it was a good attempt by Hartley to have a bit af stability but the task was just too much for him.
It is a sad state of affairs we always find ourselves in. The past 30+ years we have had right dodgers of chairmen. Now we have chairmen with the right goals and steady backing, we have had nothing but dodgers of managers.
The people who and process by which they appoint the managers is the problem.

"How d'ye want the room done pal?"

"I'll save a bit on the plastering and let the decorator buy the most expensive paint we can afford. It'll look great."

"wa's fell doon again bud, maybe you should plaster it properly?"

"No man, I'm sure this time the expensive paint will hold it up."

"Fair enough pal, I'll send in the next shite plasterer, looks a bit dodgy like, his mate is carrying the buckets hung ower his lugs."

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Scottish football needs John Brown.

Sadly Rangers* will never appoint him as their manager so Dundee will have to do.

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6 hours ago, sjc said:

Scottish football needs John Brown.

Sadly Rangers* will never appoint him as their manager so Dundee will have to do.

I'd take Steven Brown. His colourful coos would do the job.

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On ‎21‎/‎04‎/‎2019 at 23:15, LiviLion said:

If Bradford weren't such a shambles behind the scenes he could have turned things around there. Kept an eye on what their fans were saying while he was in charge and they generally seemed to support him and believed he was turning things around from what I could see. Team full of shitebags losing every week (sound familiar?), turns into a team who show a bit of fight and can keep games tight and scrape a draw and eventually a team who can win games. They've won 10 league games all season, 7 of them were under Hopkin. They've lost every single game since he left too.

RE Martindale, he joined the club in 2014 and we've had John McGlynn and Mark Burchill during that time who were terrible, then it was Hopkin's turn (he was Burchill's assistant) and we were too skint/couldn't be arsed bringing anyone else in so just promoted Martindale to assistant. He was Miller's assistant too and that was a disaster, when we brought Holt in he talked about not changing what the players were good at (Miller tried to change the formation/system that worked a treat) and wanted us to get back to basics, so I don't think Martindale runs the show as much as people think. He just keeps us afloat with his drug money legally obtained income.

 

Second bit not really relevant to Dundee obviously, but if it came down to it then I think Hopkin would be a superb appointment for you, and I think he'd be interested as well tbh.

Imo Livi would be fecked without Martindale, he does huge amounts of work behind the scenes, virtually runs the club single handed, def has a big influence on things on the pitch too, incl training the players. It worked well with Hopkin because they both had the same ideals, as has Holt, I'd say Holt had to fit in with those ideals (of Martindale's) Miller didn't and was punted pretty sharply.

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1 minute ago, LIVIFOREVER said:

Imo Livi would be fecked without Martindale, he does huge amounts of work behind the scenes, virtually runs the club single handed, def has a big influence on things on the pitch too, incl training the players. It worked well with Hopkin because they both had the same ideals, as has Holt, I'd say Holt had to fit in with those ideals (of Martindale's) Miller didn't and was punted pretty sharply.

Can I asked why Martindale didn't just take on the job then? Prefer to be away from the spotlight or fans wouldn't take to that idea?

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15 minutes ago, Ludo*1 said:

Can I asked why Martindale didn't just take on the job then? Prefer to be away from the spotlight or fans wouldn't take to that idea?

Yeah a lot of us asked that question too, doesn't seem to want to be at the forefront of things, and is quite happy being number two. It was him making the signing and getting the squad organised, did pre season training. Even ordered the strips while on his hols, though having listened to John Ward on andylivi's podcast that was last season but thought he did it this season too.

Was doing the reception, gets on top of any job needing done around the stadium really, think he organised the floodlights being upgraded and prob the pitch too. Ward said he hadn't been around the club for a wee while (think he was busy getting himself set up in his new venture) and it was Martindale running things at the stadium.

 

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Yeah a lot of us asked that question too, doesn't seem to want to be at the forefront of things, and is quite happy being number two. It was him making the signing and getting the squad organised, did pre season training. Even ordered the strips while on his hols, though having listened to John Ward on andylivi's podcast that was last season but thought he did it this season too.
Was doing the reception, gets on top of any job needing done around the stadium really, think he organised the floodlights being upgraded and prob the pitch too. Ward said he hadn't been around the club for a wee while (think he was busy getting himself set up in his new venture) and it was Martindale running things at the stadium.
 
Can he play in midfield?

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37 minutes ago, eindhovendee said:
1 hour ago, LIVIFOREVER said:
Yeah a lot of us asked that question too, doesn't seem to want to be at the forefront of things, and is quite happy being number two. It was him making the signing and getting the squad organised, did pre season training. Even ordered the strips while on his hols, though having listened to John Ward on andylivi's podcast that was last season but thought he did it this season too.
Was doing the reception, gets on top of any job needing done around the stadium really, think he organised the floodlights being upgraded and prob the pitch too. Ward said he hadn't been around the club for a wee while (think he was busy getting himself set up in his new venture) and it was Martindale running things at the stadium.
 

Can he play in midfield?

Prob be a decent winger, liked going down the line.

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Is it healthy for one guy to have so much power at the club? Not just any guy, the assistant manager.

Seems bizarre. It has obviously worked so far but still.

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12 hours ago, stu80 said:

Why has no one suggested Alan Stubbs??

Cruel and unnecessary

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1 hour ago, Insaintee said:

Cruel and unnecessary

Yes he is, but what about him being manager?

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1 hour ago, sergie's no1 fan said:

Is it healthy for one guy to have so much power at the club? Not just any guy, the assistant manager.

Seems bizarre. It has obviously worked so far but still.

What isn't healthy is just trusting one guy to do everything and having absolutely zero strategy or succession plan in place in the event that that one guy gets poached/walks out and takes his assistant with him. :whistle

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On 22/04/2019 at 03:05, harry94 said:

Issue re Hopkin is that I'd be curious to know what the dynamic was at Livi with signings etc and how much Martindale played into it. Would be happy with the theory of it but just got a wee worry that things aren't all that they seem and Livi maybe had a unique model that we don't have.

I think Ian McCall or Goodwin would be respectable appointments on the face of it, McCall especially has demonstrated an ability to build squads and has shaken off his demons it seems. One of my pals plays under Goodwin and rates him massively, I think he'll have a decent career.

I'd be thinking about a director of football too, worth the salary if it gives some credibility to FPS. Hard to pick a criteria for that but I'd ideally want someone who is technically competent but maybe has the ability to be a ghost - think that's hard to evaluate being outwith the football world.

Goodwin or Hopkin blinfolded with their arms tied behind their backs (literally) would be better options going ahead than keeping the charlatan that is JM. Unfortunately Nelms has never heard of either one of them so it'll be JM in his ear telling him that this year was a lost cause when he took over, and nothing could be done to save it so he deserves the chance to sort everything out in the Championship and Nelms will or has already bought that line.

If Nelms does fire or JM resigns then Nelms will give the job to the first person that gets him on the phone, and that'll be Yogi Hughes.

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2 hours ago, sergie's no1 fan said:

Is it healthy for one guy to have so much power at the club? Not just any guy, the assistant manager.

Seems bizarre. It has obviously worked so far but still.

And that's all before you factor in Wink Martindales side 'businesses'. 

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