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Dundee's Next Permanent Manager

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Has McCall not been pretty terrible everytime he's moved up to a 'bigger' club? 

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4 minutes ago, Dele said:

Has McCall not been pretty terrible everytime he's moved up to a 'bigger' club? 

He wouldn't be moving to a 'bigger' club.

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5 minutes ago, Dele said:

Has McCall not been pretty terrible everytime he's moved up to a 'bigger' club? 

Hes flavour of the month though.

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He has great hair.  Lovely and thick for an old yin.

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On 4/20/2019 at 19:15, Ludo*1 said:

From the list that I put, which admittedly I never put to much thought into I'd go for:

1. Weighorst - Dream appointment. High pedigree, would be the guy to finally unite the fans behind the team since the Barry Smith era.

2.  David Hopkin - Not the most inspiring name on the list, but seems to be very effective in Scottish football and builds a hard and ferocious team.

3.  Temuri Ketsbaia - Done a relatively decent job whereever he's been and at a higher level than us.

4. Ian McCall - Some eye for a player.

5. Jim Goodwin - The up and coming manager in Scotland right now.

Then it falls into the category of managers I'd accept:

James McPake (As long as there was a heavily experienced assistant), Paul Hartley (Fans wouldn't take to him, but he got us out the league before and put a lot of building blocks in place that McCann and McIntyre have dissembled.)

Then there's:

Jim Duffy/Barry Smith/Jocky/Archie - Would be disappointed but they'd tap into my inner child as a Dee and I'd love it.

Then it's just pure and utter disappointment:

Stuart McCall, John Hughes, Alan Archibald.

Issue re Hopkin is that I'd be curious to know what the dynamic was at Livi with signings etc and how much Martindale played into it. Would be happy with the theory of it but just got a wee worry that things aren't all that they seem and Livi maybe had a unique model that we don't have.

I think Ian McCall or Goodwin would be respectable appointments on the face of it, McCall especially has demonstrated an ability to build squads and has shaken off his demons it seems. One of my pals plays under Goodwin and rates him massively, I think he'll have a decent career.

I'd be thinking about a director of football too, worth the salary if it gives some credibility to FPS. Hard to pick a criteria for that but I'd ideally want someone who is technically competent but maybe has the ability to be a ghost - think that's hard to evaluate being outwith the football world.

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1 minute ago, harry94 said:

Issue re Hopkin is that I'd be curious to know what the dynamic was at Livi with signings etc and how much Martindale played into it. Would be happy with the theory of it but just got a wee worry that things aren't all that they seem and Livi maybe had a unique model that we don't have.

I think Ian McCall or Goodwin would be respectable appointments on the face of it, McCall especially has demonstrated an ability to build squads and has shaken off his demons it seems. One of my pals plays under Goodwin and rates him massively, I think he'll have a decent career.

I'd be thinking about a director of football too, worth the salary if it gives some credibility to FPS. Hard to pick a criteria for that but I'd ideally want someone who is technically competent but maybe has the ability to be a ghost - think that's hard to evaluate being outwith the football world.

I could think of a tache'd one who has outside experience of being a director...

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Jim Goodwin would be a risk IMO, although our last managerial recruit from Alloa was fairly successful.

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7 minutes ago, The Master said:

Jim Goodwin would be a risk IMO, although our last managerial recruit from Alloa was fairly successful.

There's not a single appointment that wouldn't be a risk.

The question the board need to ask themselves is that IF they are to continue looking at candidates they expect to lead the whole club (Not just on the pitch), then what qualities do they want in a manager? One that is proficient in dealing with the lower leagues should be a must as I assume they expect the candidate to be able to scout young talent to sell on for a profit. (Paul Hartley) They also need someone who is relatively well polished in front of the camera (Neil McCann) since they do their best to keep a low profile, therefore the manager will be the face of the club. And finally, they need someone who has experience in the game and been involved in promotion/relegation battles (Jim McIntyre).

So basically, we need a combination of Paul Hartley, Neil McCann and Jim McIntyre - but a lot better.

Morten Weighorst is the only answer IMO.

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TBH, we should have of taken a punt on Czeslaw Michniewicz, than McIntyre, couldn't have been any worse. The next appointment is crucial, we need to go up at the first time of asking.  Do we go left field and appoint someone like; Austin MacPhee or Stephen Kenny?  Every appointment is a risk, however, you reduce the risk by doing your homework. I do feel we need a total clear out of backroom staff though, new blood, new voices required. 

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1 minute ago, gregteamdee said:

TBH, we should have of taken a punt on Czeslaw Michniewicz, than McIntyre, couldn't have been any worse. The next appointment is crucial, we need to go up at the first time of asking.  Do we go left field and appoint someone like; Austin MacPhee or Stephen Kenny?  Every appointment is a risk, however, you reduce the risk by doing your homework. I do feel we need a total clear out of backroom staff though, new blood, new voices required. 

He'd actually tick all the boxes for me.

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I don't see why suggestions of managers from lower leagues never seemed to get questioned if they could 'make the step up' or that they have 'found their level' in the same way players do.

I personally would not be inspired with the likes of McCall, Hopkin or Goodwin for this very reason. 

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Would be surprised if it was not Jim Goodwin. Knows what is required in the championship. Born leader who can get the best out of his players as such can get you back where you belong quickly. 

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I'd rather keep Jim McIntyre than appoint Austin McPhee. 

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I don't see why suggestions of managers from lower leagues never seemed to get questioned if they could 'make the step up' or that they have 'found their level' in the same way players do.
I personally would not be inspired with the likes of McCall, Hopkin or Goodwin for this very reason. 
We did this for Hartley and he got us out the league...

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3 hours ago, Demented Zebra said:

Would be surprised if it was not Jim Goodwin. Knows what is required in the championship. Born leader who can get the best out of his players as such can get you back where you belong quickly. 

Tbf, McIntyre's doing a perfectly good job of taking them back to where they belong.

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1 hour ago, G_Man1985 said:
5 hours ago, johnnydun said:
I don't see why suggestions of managers from lower leagues never seemed to get questioned if they could 'make the step up' or that they have 'found their level' in the same way players do.
I personally would not be inspired with the likes of McCall, Hopkin or Goodwin for this very reason. 

We did this for Hartley and he got us out the league...

Aye the Championship was his level.

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Aye the Championship was his level.
Aye a top 6 finish wasnt a good season... many times can you count in your life time this has happened ? Yet Hartley managed this :-)

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You'd have to think Goodwin would be a popular choice for those changing manager this summer. 

Hopkin I do fear might have been a front at Livi. Certainly last game we played against them in Paisley you wouldn't know Holt was the manager. 

That said likely to be Kenny Miller. 

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