LongTimeLurker Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 18 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said: That's the obvious solution. Is there really any point in joining the pyramid, if it's at the expense of ruining the division... Maybe they are trying to get the people running clubs to think that as well at to turn them off the idea of pyramid entry. If the EoS can do a 30 game season next year, the west region should be able to as well by getting rid of sectional league cups and keeping the junior cup well clear of the bad weather months and running it without replays. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 5 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: Maybe they are trying to get the people running clubs to think that as well at to turn them off the idea of pyramid entry. The thought crossed my mind, but I'm telling myself I'm just being paranoid. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 17 minutes ago, Tartan Tammy 1297 said: Who do you support Worthington on sea FC? Go to your bed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archieb Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 The principal motivation for clubs voting for 16-team divisions in the West was to ensure a guaranteed 15 home League games per season, providing a much needed boost to matchday-related income. So now we have a proposal to cut back on, or utterly disrupt that just one season later - in order to facilitate a presumed deadline for identification and benefit of ONE club as the League Champions who MIGHT be eligible for a play-off IF they happen to be licensed and IF joining the pyramid goes ahead as proposed .... And even so such a radical further change might well be unnecessary because (going by the current situation regarding Premiership fixtures) season 2019-20 (and subsequent seasons) could probably be finished sufficiently early anyway, especially if changes are instead made to the Sectional Cup (which DOES btw still have a sponsor - Ardagh Group - afaik) or by squeezing in a couple of extra early-season matchdays .... I would be VERY surprised if the Premiership & Championship clubs do vote for this proposed split. It would only affect the top division so, hopefully, Div 1 & 2 clubs would not vote for it either. Bin it. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 Make the Ardagh cup a straight elimination cup with split gates and first rounds drawn from local sections, that way still a bit of rivalry/local derby and the number of matches is significantly reduced. Play the Scottish in better weather months with no replays and a 30 game fixture league is entirely workable. Should play 3 midweek matches at the start of the year August/September. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThemightyHERTHA Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 9 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: Make the Ardagh cup a straight elimination cup with split gates and first rounds drawn from local sections, that way still a bit of rivalry/local derby and the number of matches is significantly reduced. Play the Scottish in better weather months with no replays and a 30 game fixture league is entirely workable. Should play 3 midweek matches at the start of the year August/September. The scottish Cup should always be a replay. Team A from yonks away playing team B away from home deserve a replay on their own patch to get into the next round, anything else just further dilutes the scottish Cup. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 The scottish Cup should always be a replay. Team A from yonks away playing team B away from home deserve a replay on their own patch to get into the next round, anything else just further dilutes the scottish Cup. Its already diluted, i’d prefer if we entered the pyramid to withdraw from the Scottish cup and enter the Alex Jack. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasy23 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 The principal motivation for clubs voting for 16-team divisions in the West was to ensure a guaranteed 15 home League games per season, providing a much needed boost to matchday-related income. So now we have a proposal to cut back on, or utterly disrupt that just one season later - in order to facilitate a presumed deadline for identification and benefit of ONE club as the League Champions who MIGHT be eligible for a play-off IF they happen to be licensed and IF joining the pyramid goes ahead as proposed .... And even so such a radical further change might well be unnecessary because (going by the current situation regarding Premiership fixtures) season 2019-20 (and subsequent seasons) could probably be finished sufficiently early anyway, especially if changes are instead made to the Sectional Cup (which DOES btw still have a sponsor - Ardagh Group - afaik) or by squeezing in a couple of extra early-season matchdays .... I would be VERY surprised if the Premiership & Championship clubs do vote for this proposed split. It would only affect the top division so, hopefully, Div 1 & 2 clubs would not vote for it either. Bin it. No sponsor for the Sectional Archie, Ardagh now sponsor the WOS Cup. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikos K Posted April 13, 2019 Author Share Posted April 13, 2019 So 3 pages in and not one person for the proposal I hope the beaks take note . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theesel1994 Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 My prediction - clubs will be given three options. Option 1 will be bad for top Division clubs Option 2 will be bad for all clubs Option 3 will be even worse still for all clubs Can you tell which one will win the vote? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the rambler Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 Apparently the original proposal to start the season on 10th July and play 8 League games in August and 14/30 by the end of September wasn't well received hence this alternative proposal. For reasons already covered in this thread the latest proposal is even worse. What concerns me is that if these proposals aren't voted on until the West AGM in mid June how do Clubs plan for pre season training and friendlies and duration of player contracts. If the season has to start earlier to accommodate an earlier League finish and Pyramid play offs then surely the obvious solution is to schedule the League Cup at the back end of the season and start League fixtures earlier. Give successful Clubs that have plenty of fixtures left the option to be excluded from the League Cup and provide additional fixtures for the other teams. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Pennel Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 Of course, our new hero Kennie could just tell the management tae GTF wae their stupid idea. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 7 hours ago, the rambler said: Apparently the original proposal to start the season on 10th July and play 8 League games in August and 14/30 by the end of September wasn't well received hence this alternative proposal. For reasons already covered in this thread the latest proposal is even worse. What concerns me is that if these proposals aren't voted on until the West AGM in mid June how do Clubs plan for pre season training and friendlies and duration of player contracts. If the season has to start earlier to accommodate an earlier League finish and Pyramid play offs then surely the obvious solution is to schedule the League Cup at the back end of the season and start League fixtures earlier. Give successful Clubs that have plenty of fixtures left the option to be excluded from the League Cup and provide additional fixtures for the other teams. Why would the season need to start that early? This is typical sjfa stuff really, not willing to lose one small piece of the set up in order to progress it properly. If they start the league season the last week in July and lose the sectional league cup (extended pre season games for most teams), as it really adds nothing to the set up. Play sat and Wed as much as is fair and reasonable until September time (getting a minimum of 6 games out the way as early as possible for each club) meaning you have a 5th of your games done in the first month. 7 months to get another 24 games isn't a tough ask. Keep the west Cup (no replays) and stop making the junior cup the be all and end all in the winter months, as it holds up every clubs season. (maybe adjust the replay situation to the later rounds for the reasons outlined above?) 30 league games can't be said to be too hard to fit in, even with the cups played in by the west clubs, particularly given that other associations clubs (LL) play in as many cups and have as many league games. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbaxters Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 9 hours ago, Nikos K said: So 3 pages in and not one person for the proposal I hope the beaks take note . They won't. No notice is taken of what supporters or fans think. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superbigal Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 So are all club officials gormless idiots who would vote to jump of a cliff if told ?100% the opposite view on p and b.So I assume no poster on here is an official? Or else if they are they go into hiding if it looks like they are publically against anything from the blazers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talbot 1978 Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 They won't. No notice is taken of what supporters or fans think.I think they do but the fans opinions are so fragmented it just wouldn't work what ever the outcome 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbaxters Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 Just now, Talbot 1978 said: 3 hours ago, jimbaxters said: They won't. No notice is taken of what supporters or fans think. I think they do but the fans opinions are so fragmented it just wouldn't work what ever the outcome I disagree. There has been unanimous criticism of this idea and almost unanimous dismay on the date of the Junior Cup final. In the case of the final, the same opinion occurs every year but no notice is taken. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talbot 1978 Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 I disagree. There has been unanimous criticism of this idea and almost unanimous dismay on the date of the Junior Cup final. In the case of the final, the same opinion occurs every year but no notice is taken.You just have to look at the number of threads on here over the pyramid. So many differences of opinion. Plus add suit egos and financial costs and you would have a different view 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbaxters Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Talbot 1978 said: You just have to look at the number of threads on here over the pyramid. So many differences of opinion. Plus add suit egos and financial costs and you would have a different view Correct regarding pyramid issues but these are topics of what seems to be unilateral agreement. In fact, they are common sense. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talbot 1978 Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 Correct regarding pyramid issues but these are topics of what seems to be unilateral agreement. In fact, they are common sense.Tv rights, security, policing and advertising along with other valid reasons will have a say on the dates too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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