FairWeatherFan Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 18 minutes ago, glensmad said: No, it is proposed to be the way forward. I could maybe get my head around it for a transition year. But for that to be the status quo format is just awful. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glensmad Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 I understand it has the backing of the West Region management. Personally speaking, I hope it won't have the backing of the clubs. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNU_Linux Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 Auchinleck have thirteen league games to go before the end of the season, total games left in Lowland league is 14. Most Lowland league teams have competed in three cup competitions as well so far, Scottish, South Challenge and either EOS qualifying or South of Scotland Cups. Spartans also had four games in Bet Fred cup and top four from last season played in Irn Bru cup.This is also considering the LL is playing with 15 teams due to Selkirk going bust thus teams have had enforced idle days. Despite that it's ran very well & smoothly in the circumstances & will finish up for the SPFL playoff no bother. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEADOWXI Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 Any split that involves uneven number of home and away games against opponents is a bad idea. Easiest option would be to move the sectional cup to the end of the season as a closer for the season rather than have it opening the season. Would free up 5 or 6 weekend and mid week slots at the start of the season to get the league going early and should leave no need for splits or worrying about not having league finished prior to any pyramid issues. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 As a junior comparison how late did the 16 team East Region leagues finish up by? Getting wrapped up by the 2nd week of may, or whatever it is, can't by this impossible. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillonearth Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 30 minutes ago, gogsy said: Auchinleck have thirteen league games to go before the end of the season, total games left in Lowland league is 14. Most Lowland league teams have competed in three cup competitions as well so far, Scottish, South Challenge and either EOS qualifying or South of Scotland Cups. Spartans also had four games in Bet Fred cup and top four from last season played in Irn Bru cup. The difference being firstly that there's no danger of regularly losing anything up to a couple of months' fixtures a season thanks to the national cup competition, and secondly being prepared to schedule fixtures regardless. Nae lights? - you're still playing midweek, so hire somewhere that has them...which I notice Vale of Leithen were forced to do in midweek just there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginaro Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said: As a junior comparison how late did the 16 team East Region leagues finish up by? Getting wrapped up by the 2nd week of may, or whatever it is, can't by this impossible. The East Superleague with 16 teams has been won on 26th, 31st, 18th, 13th, and 28th May. So it does seem like it's difficult for the Juniors to get a 16 team league to finish by early May with all the cups in the mix. Especially for teams without floodlights, who start in the first preliminary round of the big Scottish Cup and progress for a few rounds with a replay or two. Bonnyrigg's fixture list is interesting to compare, last season they played five games after the first weekend in May, this season it's just a lot of cup games to fit in. http://www.bonnyriggrosefc.co.uk/teams/118321/fixtures-results?season=51482 7 minutes ago, Hillonearth said: Nae lights? - you're still playing midweek, so hire somewhere that has them...which I notice Vale of Leithen were forced to do in midweek just there. I would agree though if none of the top clubs in the division have lights, or aren't going for their licence they won't be in the play-offs anyway. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanCamelonfan Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 2 hours ago, Jason King said: Camelon havent had to schedule 30 league games this season though. Splits are a nonsense no matter what level the league is at, ditch the Evening Times and the League Cup to free up matchdays ahead of implementing this nonsense. 24 league games plus 3 league cup games the alex jack run, East south shield. All the other cups and we're going to at worst be finished for 18th may 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanCamelonfan Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 Surely if worried about getting it done its either do away with cups or drop the top league to 12 teams. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classof2010 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 How many games have camelon or the lowland league teams played you will find they will have played far less or on a par with them not many will have played more as of now 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 For me, having a 30 game league should leave plenty of time to finish the season. The LL manage it every year without a fuss. Start the season earlier and in conjunction with other senior leagues and ditch a non sensical cup competition. Split is a horrible idea that will only muddy the water. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holmparkheroes Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 4 hours ago, Ginaro said: While Auchinleck are a number of games behind this season, if they won all of their fixtures and played in the league on 20th April instead of in the WoS cup then the league would be won by 4th May - which is the same time as the EOS champion will be crowned. I would say going to a split should be a last resort, as there's other things like getting rid of Junior Cup replays and two-legged semi-finals, or changes to West cup competitions that would be less drastic than a split. Another thing to bear in mind is that going by the current league positions, there will be three additional clubs with floodlights next season. Plus, Talbot are apparently planning on installing lights to get a licence. So that would mean half of the Premiership clubs have lights, allowing a midweek round of fixtures to take place early in the season, plus catching up on games before April. Edit: I assumed Kilwinning Sports Club would have lights but seems like it doesn't, so that's 6 clubs + Auchinleck. That could be part of a solution Ginaro, but since midweek fixtures do not attract as many punters as a Saturday would, then in effect clubs with floodlights would suffer financially. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talbot 1978 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 That could be part of a solution Ginaro, but since midweek fixtures do not attract as many punters as a Saturday would, then in effect clubs with floodlights would suffer financially.Well said HPH, Ginaro probably didn't account for that in his rush to get his say on the matter. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmontheloknow Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 (edited) Midweek games kicking off at a sensible time (7.30/7.45) do not attract significantly less gates anywhere else in football. Unfortunately in the Juniors, you *can* be kicking off at 6.30pm which is inconvenient to all and sundry. Edited April 12, 2019 by cmontheloknow 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginaro Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 1 hour ago, holmparkheroes said: That could be part of a solution Ginaro, but since midweek fixtures do not attract as many punters as a Saturday would, then in effect clubs with floodlights would suffer financially. Well it's something that has to be considered otherwise you're going to have to cram in games at the end of the season to meet an early May deadline. The LL and EOS had a round of games in the first midweek of October - at least you would have a few months notice for the fixtures, more than you get for some early season cup games or end of season games. You might lose a bit of money but then it would help avoid Mon/Wed games later in the season, which surely aren't as profitable as well? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThemightyHERTHA Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 So here we have it for the first time in my living memory, a great fixture list in advance, a good 16 team league with a freshness about it, every team playing one another twice in a good set up....... And BANG... the powers that be couldn't leave it alone and instead want to introduce the balderdash of a split that there's no need for and as has been previously alluded to it always sees a team on the receiving end of. Jeezo let's leave our game alone........ What's next junior VAR? 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmontheloknow Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 If they do this, the clubs will then be wanting those games back, so hey presto, an expanded sectional and the resurrection of the Best Team In Auchinleck Cup and the Pompey Cup etc... and a Consolation Cup for those KO'd in the group stages and a Consolation Consolation Charity Cup for those KO'd in the 1st Rd of the Best Team In Auchinleck Cup and the Pompey Cup. Set the dial for 1965. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parkcircus Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 Simple solution would be to bin that unsponsored sectional cup. Scottish Cup winners get a by to the 3rd round of the Scottish the next season League winners get a by to the 3rd of the WoS. This year Talbot played 7 matches in the sectional, add a few from the Scottish and they’ve caught up. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 10 minutes ago, parkcircus said: Simple solution would be to bin that unsponsored sectional cup That's the obvious solution. Is there really any point in joining the pyramid, if it's at the expense of ruining the division. The compromise must be found elsewhere. If this is the best that authorities can come up with it further underlines their total incompetence. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan Tammy 1297 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 15 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said: That's the obvious solution. Is there really any point in joining the pyramid, if it's at the expense of ruining the division. The compromise must be found elsewhere. If this is the best that authorities can come up with it further underlines their total incompetence. Who do you support Worthington on sea FC? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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