FIFA rankings

[18May1991]

8 hours ago, Carnoustie Young Guvnor said:

You put England and Belgium's starting 11 from tonight on the park they're not scoring against that juggernaut

22 v 11 would be a tough ask, even for that Scotland/ Motherwell defence. 

[charger29]

This is how the rankings/pots look ahead of the World Cup draws as it stands.
4 matches to try and get ourselves up to pot 2, personally think it may be a stretch but not, outwith the realms of possibility if we get a win on Wednesday.

Those numbers are different from other ranking blogs/websites.
Pot 2 is gone imo. Even if we win the next 4 and nobody else plays a game we're still pot 3. I can't see all the teams on the border of pot 2/3 losing points.

[Willie adie]

Ive always found Switzerland to be an enigma, 

Qualify for every euros World Cup  but never do much of note, 

No star players or club sides

[Les Cabbage]

55 minutes ago, charger29 said:

Those numbers are different from other ranking blogs/websites.
Pot 2 is gone imo. Even if we win the next 4 and nobody else plays a game we're still pot 3. I can't see all the teams on the border of pot 2/3 losing points.
 

Taken from @We_Global on twitter 

[Donathan]

Slovakia were always going to go seriously downhill now that Hamsik is past his best

[forameus]

2 hours ago, charger29 said:

Those numbers are different from other ranking blogs/websites.
Pot 2 is gone imo. Even if we win the next 4 and nobody else plays a game we're still pot 3. I can't see all the teams on the border of pot 2/3 losing points.
 

Which is a shame, but pot 3 looks like an opportunity.  I don't see anything in the pots below that we should be afraid of (outside of the usual "wa's like us?" stuff) so we go in a straight fight with pot 2 for that 2nd place to guarantee a playoff spot.  And from there, two years of decent performances should see us hit pot 2 in time for the Euros qualifying, when we stand a very good chance of qualifying, rather than the minor one we have with the WC.

[Pie Of The Month]

19 minutes ago, forameus said:

Which is a shame, but pot 3 looks like an opportunity.  I don't see anything in the pots below that we should be afraid of (outside of the usual "wa's like us?" stuff) so we go in a straight fight with pot 2 for that 2nd place to guarantee a playoff spot.  And from there, two years of decent performances should see us hit pot 2 in time for the Euros qualifying, when we stand a very good chance of qualifying, rather than the minor one we have with the WC.

It's more likely that our performances over the next 2 months rather than 2 years will determine if we're in pot 2 for the Euro qualifiers. Win this group and we're guaranteed to be pot 2 as a minimum since UEFA are using Nations League rankings rather than FIFA rankings to determine the pots.

[forameus]

1 hour ago, Pie Of The Month said:

It's more likely that our performances over the next 2 months rather than 2 years will determine if we're in pot 2 for the Euro qualifiers. Win this group and we're guaranteed to be pot 2 as a minimum since UEFA are using Nations League rankings rather than FIFA rankings to determine the pots.

Very good point, forgot that UEFA had moved to that.  A massively important 4 games.

[charger29]

Taken from @We_Global on twitter 

Think they had some errors. Russia are pot 2 and Iceland are pot 3 currently.

 

[V.Aye.R]

These get updated on the 4th of April.
We'll surely be tumbling down them. The Kazakhstan game will have done massive damage to them, and the San Marino game won't have helped.
Here is how they calculate it:

 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_World_Rankings

The basic formula is

P= Pbefore +I (W - We)

• P_before – the team's number of points before the game
• I – the importance coefficient
• W – the result of the game
• W_e – the expected result of the game

But what I'm unsure about is if dr is the difference in points between the two teams or just the difference in places?

 

So if we use ranking points (287 of a difference) for dr then by my reckoning for the Kazakhstan game it's;

P = 1446 + 25 (0 - 0.1)

P = 1471 (-0.1)

P= -147.1

So we'd lose 147 ranking points and end up with 1299.

 

Actually having just done dr as the difference in places between the teams (77) it doesn't make as much difference as I thought;

P = 1446 + 25 (0 - 0.09)

P = 1471 (-0.09)

P= -132

So we'd lose 132 ranking points and slide down to 1314 points.

 

I can only go on the first method I used for dr for the San Marino game as I can't know our ranking before it without spending hours calculating all the results (that's what work is for; maybe tomorrow!).

On that basis we'd gain a massive 22.55 points from the San Marino win, putting us on 1321 points.

Before the game on Thursday here were the teams and positions around that number of points;

 

 

Is that right?

I remember following scotland was all about getting p!shed and having a good time with your pals.

[GordonS]

10 hours ago, V.Aye.R said:

On 25/03/2019 at 21:39, DA Baracus said:

These get updated on the 4th of April.
We'll surely be tumbling down them. The Kazakhstan game will have done massive damage to them, and the San Marino game won't have helped.
Here is how they calculate it:

 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_World_Rankings

The basic formula is

P= Pbefore +I (W - We)

• P_before – the team's number of points before the game
• I – the importance coefficient
• W – the result of the game
• W_e – the expected result of the game

But what I'm unsure about is if dr is the difference in points between the two teams or just the difference in places?

 

So if we use ranking points (287 of a difference) for dr then by my reckoning for the Kazakhstan game it's;

P = 1446 + 25 (0 - 0.1)

P = 1471 (-0.1)

P= -147.1

So we'd lose 147 ranking points and end up with 1299.

 

Actually having just done dr as the difference in places between the teams (77) it doesn't make as much difference as I thought;

P = 1446 + 25 (0 - 0.09)

P = 1471 (-0.09)

P= -132

So we'd lose 132 ranking points and slide down to 1314 points.

 

I can only go on the first method I used for dr for the San Marino game as I can't know our ranking before it without spending hours calculating all the results (that's what work is for; maybe tomorrow!).

On that basis we'd gain a massive 22.55 points from the San Marino win, putting us on 1321 points.

Before the game on Thursday here were the teams and positions around that number of points;

 

 

Is that right?

I remember following scotland was all about getting p!shed and having a good time with your pals.

It's always been about maths.

"If we beat Holland by three clear goals."

"If there are winners in both the England-Egypt and Ireland-Holland matches, and Uruguay draw with South Korea."

"If we beat Switzerland and England beat Holland and the combined winning margin is 5, and the square root of pi is more than they first number you thought of..."

[AmericanFan]

How we are still in the top 25 is mind-boggling.

[GordonS]

2 hours ago, AmericanFan said:

How we are still in the top 25 is mind-boggling.

25th in Europe, 49th in the world. Not a lot of decent European countries behind us - it goes us, Bosnia, Hungary, Greece, Finland, Bulgaria...

[craigkillie]

I'm not sure "American Fan" was talking about Scotland

[GordonS]

3 hours ago, craigkillie said:

I'm not sure "American Fan" was talking about Scotland

 

[AmericanFan]

12 hours ago, GordonS said:

 

@craigkilliewas correct, I was referring to the US.  I put Scotland as "my team" because I haven't picked a club team. Though I have Scottish heritage from the Highlands, if that helps.

[TheScarf]

I take it the US resulted are weighted less, seeing as apart from Mexico and Canada, they play utter jobbers all the time?

[Marshmallo]

9 minutes ago, TheScarf said:

I take it the US resulted are weighted less, seeing as apart from Mexico and Canada, they play utter jobbers all the time?

[HuttonDressedAsLahm]

On 12/10/2020 at 16:58, charger29 said:

Think they had some errors. Russia are pot 2 and Iceland are pot 3 currently.

 

Pretty sure they note that it’s a projection based on expected results as well?

[GordonS]

1 hour ago, AmericanFan said:

@craigkilliewas correct, I was referring to the US.  I put Scotland as "my team" because I haven't picked a club team. Though I have Scottish heritage from the Highlands, if that helps.

Ah ok, ta. You can understand my assumption!