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1 minute ago, Kuro said:

I think so too, and he is clearly an upgrade on any manager we've had in the last 32 years.

He was at Parkhead, St Mirren Park and Ibrox all this past weekend. 99% sure it's him.

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5 minutes ago, TavTastic said:

He was at Parkhead, St Mirren Park and Ibrox all this past weekend. 99% sure it's him.

Yeah me too, that tells a story.

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8 hours ago, forameus said:

At the same time though, I think a lot of our long term problems could be solved by getting to a tournament.  It's not the be all and end all, but it's a massive deal in a lot of areas

Perhaps, but I wouldn't want us to qualify for something and automatically assume all of our problems are sorted and everything is rosy again. We've seen teams like Hungary and Albania reach the Euros in recent years and they haven't exactly cracked on since.

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1 hour ago, HibeeJibee said:

Bruce Arena has never managed outside of the United States.

He'd success with their national team 15-20 years ago and his recent stint included winning the Gold Cup (albeit in workmanlike fashion and without facing Mexico).

However he also took them to 2nd bottom of a 6-team WC qualifying section behind Costa Rica, Panama and Honduras consequently missing-out even on a playoff.

If it was to be a foreign manager then he's a surprise tip, IMO.

 

1 hour ago, morrison1982 said:

It was Klinsmann at the start. Arena took over after they had started badly and Klinsmann was sacked, but it didn't get any better under him. Failing to qualify with USA in Concacaf is ridiculous. It's arguably worse than one of the big countries failing to qualify in UEFA, because at least in a European group you can have the excuse of having a tough draw or something.

They needed a draw in their final game away to T&T who had lost 8/9 and already cemented bottom place.

They lost

:lol:

 

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Moyes must be the most polarising choice of potential manager.  In some comments I read on here you start to think he could be the messiah and then read another and he could be worse than Mcleish.  You lads are confusing me!

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I don't think anyone has said he would be worse than McLeish. I think the debate ranges from "he's the best candidate" to "he's the second or third best candidate".

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His CV shits all over McLeish's, or Levein's or Burley's or even Strachan's, or Vogts or Roxburgh or Brown.  Walter Smith is the only one close, Strachan kind of, but Smith never did anything outside Scotland and realistically my mum could have won several titles with Rangers in those days.

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I would be happy with Bruce Arena as long as he appointed a Scottish coach or assistant to help him with knowledge of the Scottish game etc.  Imho, he's better than Sven Goran Eriksson, Dick Advocaat or Avram Grant, all of who have been mentioned in the last week. 

Anyway, BBC reporting that an appointment is imminent (a fortnight mentioned on their Twitter account) so that rules out Derek McInnes, Steve Clarke or Jack Ross as they'll all be under contract. 

So, for me it is going to be either David Moyes or Bruce Arena. 

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Moyes is a decent manager and obviously an upgrade on mcleish.

Don't really think his defensive stuffy style really suits the squad we have tho.

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3 minutes ago, BingMcCrosby said:

Moyes is a decent manager and obviously an upgrade on mcleish.

Don't really think his defensive stuffy style really suits the squad we have tho.

That's my one concern, but he is a competent coach I'm sure he can adapt to the players available.

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His CV shits all over McLeish's, or Levein's or Burley's or even Strachan's, or Vogts or Roxburgh or Brown.  Walter Smith is the only one close, Strachan kind of, but Smith never did anything outside Scotland and realistically my mum could have won several titles with Rangers in those days.


Shits all over Vogts? Er... 1996 Euro win kind of shits all over Moyes complete lack of trophies.

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Just now, Gordopolis said:


 

 


Shits all over Vogts? Er... 1996 Euro win kind of shits all over Moyes complete lack of trophies.

 

One tournament with a brilliant team.  Have a look at his managerial record, he's nowhere near Moyes' league.

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3 minutes ago, Kuro said:

One tournament with a brilliant team.  Have a look at his managerial record, he's nowhere near Moyes' league.

You didn't realise he won euro 96 did you

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5 minutes ago, BingMcCrosby said:

You didn't realise he won euro 96 did you

Of course I did.  Google his managerial record.  

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I am going to try and defend David Moyes here but I doubt it will be enough to change your opinion on him lol. 

At Preston and Everton, he was very successful so on both occasions he deserved the step up and, tbh, if SIR ALEX recommended him to Utd, that tells its own story, he must have been doing something right.  I think maybe he left Goodison to early though, maybe he should have stayed another couple of seasons there then go to Man U. 

Imho, at Real Sociedad, he wasn't really given much time but I think he maybe regrets taking that job. At West Ham, he saved them from the drop which was a success imho so I believe he should have been given the next season too, if things were not going well and WHU were in another relegation dogfight then resign.  

And Sunderland, the least said about that the better but nearly everyone before him struggled there and even now, Jack Ross is living on borrowed time (do not be surprised if he is sacked in the next few days). That job is a poisoned chalice. 

 

So all in all, if we get the competent Moyes of his Everton or Preston days, we should be fine. 

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One tournament with a brilliant team.  Have a look at his managerial record, he's nowhere near Moyes' league.

Germany's '96 team was good but far from brilliant. Holland , England, France and others were well within the same echelon as them at that tourney

 

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25 minutes ago, Kuro said:

Of course I did.  Google his managerial record.  

It says he won euro 96.

So more successful than moyes

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1 hour ago, Caley Shaun said:

I would be happy with Bruce Arena as long as he appointed a Scottish coach or assistant to help him with knowledge of the Scottish game etc.  Imho, he's better than Sven Goran Eriksson, Dick Advocaat or Avram Grant, all of who have been mentioned in the last week. 

Anyway, BBC reporting that an appointment is imminent (a fortnight mentioned on their Twitter account) so that rules out Derek McInnes, Steve Clarke or Jack Ross as they'll all be under contract. 

So, for me it is going to be either David Moyes or Bruce Arena. 

The season is finished in just over a fortnight, so I don't see how an imminent appointment would rule out any of those guys.

It's also ludicrous to suggest that Bruce Arena would be a better option than Dick Advocaat. Advocaat has had a successful career all over the world at club and international level and also has some insight into the Scottish game. Arena has never worked outside the USA and has nothing like the same pedigree as a manager.

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The season is finished in just over a fortnight, so I don't see how an imminent appointment would rule out any of those guys.
It's also ludicrous to suggest that Bruce Arena would be a better option than Dick Advocaat. Advocaat has had a successful career all over the world at club and international level and also has some insight into the Scottish game. Arena has never worked outside the USA and has nothing like the same pedigree as a manager.
Yeah Arena sounds like a big-ish name but a wee glance at his record kind of snuffs out that flame.
Let's not go foreign for the sake of going foreign - it's got to be the right appointment

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49 minutes ago, Gordopolis said:

Germany's '96 team was good but far from brilliant. Holland , England, France and others were well within the same echelon as them at that tourney

 

Shut up

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